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re: Would you fire a coach with a 110 wins 31 losses 78 percent winning percentig
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:32 am to Ash Williams
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:32 am to Ash Williams
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Would you fire a coach that hasnt been competitive in his division since 2011 with arguably the top 5 talent in the country?
I'd say we competed in 2012.
And Miami, Texas, Tennessee, etc. have all seen that it isn't always a guarantee that your program will be better off, even if it is a historically good program.
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:36 am to Jcoach70
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Would you fire a coach with a 110 wins 31 losses 78 percent winning percentig
Valiant effort, but the "Fire Miles" crew that has been here since he was either announced as coach or after the UT game in '05 is back for blood again.
They are all undefeated with huge wins on Xbox in beginner mode.
There are some legit people with legit criticisms, but they are hard to find in this mess.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:37 am to Jcoach70
Let me put it you this way. you ever want to beat bama on a consistent basis again? It ain't happening until either miles or saban is gone.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:38 am to rattlebucket
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Look at the steady decline since 2011.
2011 was an anomaly, I'm afraid. 2008 and 2009 wasn't exactly stellar. It's been declining since 2007 (exception of one year being 2011).
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:39 am to Jcoach70
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Would you fire a coach with a 110 wins 31 losses 78 percent winning percentig
here at LSU we are playing for championships, which we haven't won one wince 2007... we are past just having "good" seasons and making a bowl game... that shite is so late 90's/early 00's...
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look at what happened to Tennessee when they let Phillip Fulmer go.
nobody here gives a frick about Tennessee... plus they didn't have the facilities or national draw that LSU currently has....
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We also have a top 3 recruiting class
this excuse or justification for keeping Miles is getting more ridiculous by the year.... so the frick what if we have a Top 3 class?? we've had great classes in the past, and we have done absolutely dick with them.... there's a reason for that... we don't develop those players once they are here.... i used to be afraid to get rid of Miles because of this reason to, but i can sit here now and say i'd rather have a top 15-20 class with no 5 stars, majority 4, some 3, and a couple of 2s and then have those guys develop into great players, than have a class with multiple 5s, the rest 4 and a few 3s and NOT develop them anymore than what they are when they first step foot at LSU...
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Firing Miles is crazy.
no, it's not crazy... it's scary... most of you are afraid of the "what ifs" if we fire him... you are afraid of change.... but you know, sometimes change is good... sometimes change is necessary.... will we fire Miles? probably not.... but if we don't, he better learn how to coach with the fricking quickness, because as many of us see it, when it comes to purely just coaching, he's a fricking moron....
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:40 am to The Pirate King
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Let me put it you this way. you ever want to beat bama on a consistent basis again?
At this point I think it's more than losing to Alabama. The wheels fell off after Arkansas basically handed LSU's butt on a platter, 2nd year in a row. LSU is not even competing right now.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:42 am to Ash Williams
Pelleni /thread
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:44 am to TheDeathValley
Watch this video and keep repeating to yourself: "5 million, 5 million, 5 million...." LINK
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:45 am to Kracka
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For those of you leaning on Mile's record while at LSU. Wrap you minds around this.
Look at Saban's MSU->LSU->Bama records. They get better with the level of talent that the school can recruit. Bama is a top 5 all time program. LSU is somewhere in the top 25.
We have a top 10 coach. Bama has the #1 (maybe #2) coach, the strongest tradition in the SEC, one of the strongest traditions in the nation, and consistently better recruiting classes in recent years.
Do I want LSU to continue to be their doormat? No. I'm not sure who's out there that would have a better result than Miles given the same circumstances, including a clone of Nick Saban.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:54 am to Jcoach70
No, and even dropping the remaining games I don't think he deserves to be fired. He would be on the hot seat, however and hopefully forced to make some coaching changes.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Wait.... been there - done that. The only consistent part to this scenario is the guy at the top hasn't changed. Hello?
and hopefully forced to make some coaching changes.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:02 am to tigerpawl
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"5 million, 5 million, 5 million...."
Who makes 5 Million? We talking about Sumlin?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:04 am to Jcoach70
If he loses out he is 8-8 in the SEC in the last two years and 19-13 in the last four years. That would get you fired at any top tier SEC program and what he did 5-9 years ago is simply irrelevant. When you pay someone $4M per year, that person doesn't get the luxury of saying, but look how good I was 5 years ago.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:04 am to tigerpawl
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Wait.... been there - done that. The only consistent part to this scenario is the guy at the top hasn't changed. Hello?
I understand that, but BDP has to go or be reassigned. LSU has performed better on special teams.
No hope for the offense. It's obvious that a change in that position will not matter. Those bashing Cam need to rewind and go back to 2010.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:04 am to rbdallas
How many years did it take our program to recover from that mistake?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:05 am to Jcoach70
Yes...... I would fire a coach that in 10 years failed to recruit and develop decent Qb's. (except for the one that fell in his lap because of a discipline issue)
Briles, develops one or two a year. Bama seems to be plug and play as well.
The lack of a decent QB will be Miles downfall and that's all on him.
Briles, develops one or two a year. Bama seems to be plug and play as well.
The lack of a decent QB will be Miles downfall and that's all on him.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:08 am to Jcoach70
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Would you fire a coach with a 110 wins 31 losses 78 percent winning percentig
Depends on the situation obviously. What if a coach is apart of criminal activities?
Its a "what have you done for me lately" world we live in. It'd be crazy to keep someone just because of what they did years ago. You'd be a huge sucker as an AD or GM.
Do you think Peyton Manning should be signed to a max contract next deal he gets? Why wouldn't you sign an MVP, perennial pro-bowler and HOFer? He can barely throw and gets hurt a lot, but damn he used to be AWESOME.
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Changes will be made but Firing Miles is crazy.
Names have changed, but the system has not. Miles being the only name to not change.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:10 am to PoppaD
LSU all time winning percentage 69 percent Less Miles winning percentage is almost 80 percent he has out performed the programs historical winning percentage. If you you fire Miles who has one more games than almost all other coaches in the country who do you replace him with Mike Archer- Curly Halman Gerry Dinardo
Come on Man Be Real plus 17 Million buy out
Come on Man Be Real plus 17 Million buy out
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:14 am to Kracka
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I would rather go through a few losing seasons if it means not having to deal with Miles's shite anymore.
Which is what many of us have said for a long time. Your hate for miles is so bad that you would rather lose with someone else than win with miles.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:15 am to BayouBengals03
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And Miami,
The problem with Miami is they have to compete with Florida and FSU for in-state talent. Right after Coker was gone Florida got Urban and had some very very good teams. After Urban left, Jimbo has since taken over at FSU, and now FSU has some very very good teams.
Alabama was also down during that time and is a huge factor in Florida for recruits.
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Texas
They let their problems go too far. Mack Brown should have been fired far sooner, and Texas is a VERY big program with LOTS of fingers in the pie, and the AD stepped down at the same time, and the culture there was terrible.
Texas is afar bigger animal than LSU thankfully. Also, Texas has to compete a lot more for in-state recruiting, as you've seen A&M take over mostly for the best recruits in the state, or at least thats far more than what any school can do in Louisiana against LSU
(save for the few Bama steals).
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Tennessee
Not the same in-state talent, not even close, and they are surrounded by tons of SEC schools that aren't very far.
Either way, Fulmer was going nowhere fast, and it was very clear. They had no choice, and sometimes you have to just take the risk no matter what because its better to at least try instead of sitting on your hands stagnant.
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