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re: Would like to see Beloso DH today

Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:37 am to
Posted by Solo Cam
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:37 am to
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Last night wasn't his first bad performance. He has struggled at times against weaker competition this year as well. He strikes out 50% of the times he steps up to the plate. I'm not saying he should be benched permanently, but I don't think he should be penciled in the everyday starting lineup. There are multiple guys that can make the argument that they deserve at bats.
The dude literally leads the team in Homeruns and is over .320 average.

I can't argue with some of you clowns
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:48 am to
He is really struggling on the off speed stuff
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 11:53 am to
You should see what a&m's freshmen looked like last night.

In all seriousness this teams full potential requires Jones to lose some of his swing and miss. That's not gonna happen if he rides the bench in SEC play
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:06 pm to
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I can't argue with some of you clowns

Can you tell me what in my post you disagree with exactly?
Posted by SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:13 pm to
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There are multiple guys that can make the argument that they deserve at bats.


This part

I don’t think multiple guys have an argument they deserve the ABs

He has a good average a good OB% he’s crushing balls when he makes contact.

He strikes out but he doesn’t get out significantly more than one else. He’s just less likely to fly out and ground out. so MAYBE you miss a few runners advancing. But he is being productive.

So the only candidates for the AB are Beloso and Frey, who maybe deserve some time but are still in the statistically small sampling size and getting most of their ABs against bullpen arms in blowouts. And Jobert who strikes out too.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 12:15 pm
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:19 pm to
Cade Beloso has a better batting average, ob%, and slugging %. Hayden Travinski has a .500 BA and just as much power as Jones. Ethan Frey has looked good in limited action. Josh Pearson was an extremely effective hitter last year. You don't think any of those guys could argue they deserve some AB's?

Your only knock against Beloso and Frey is that they have done well in a small sample size, but you aren't willing to give them more at bats to increase that sample size?
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:26 pm to
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Can you tell me what in my post you disagree with exactly?


How about the fact that he K’s 38% of the time, not 50. Is that a good start?

Or that he’s 2nd on the team in ISO?

Or that he has a healthy BB%?

Yes he strikes out a lot but the other two outcomes of his at bats are usually positive (XBH or BB)

He’s a second or even third tier piece to the lineup, and his ability to punch it out of the yard in that role is a luxury. He’s In there for a purpose, knowing he’s a K threat. You may take 3 Ks but if that 4th AB is a 3R HR, you live with that
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:41 pm to
He strikes out in 47% of at bats not plate appearances, sorry. He is tied with Jobert for the least amount of walks + hpb out of any of the regular starters. He has the 2nd lowest ob% out of any of the regular starters. Again, I'm not saying take him out of the lineup permanently, but there are other guys that also deserve at bats, especially if Jones is struggling against SEC pitching.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 12:57 pm to
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He has the 2nd lowest ob% out of any of the regular starters


his OBP would be amongst the team leaders on most normal teams


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He strikes out in 47% of at bats not plate appearances, sorry.


That’s not how that stat is calculated.

Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:19 pm to
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his OBP would be amongst the team leaders on most normal teams

I don't really care where he would rank on other teams. I'm talking about LSU because that is what team he plays for.
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That’s not how that stat is calculated.

I didn't give you a stat. I'm telling you he strikes out in 47% of at bats and 40% of plate appearances. That's a fact.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:38 pm to
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Cade Beloso has a better batting average, ob%, and slugging %. Hayden Travinski has a .500 BA and just as much power as Jones. Ethan Frey has looked good in limited action.


Like I said, very small sample sizes and generally Not against other teams best pitchers.

Case has 15 AB.
Frey has 12 AB.

quote:

Your only knock against Beloso and Frey is that they have done well in a small sample size, but you aren't willing to give them more at bats to increase that sample size?


If Jones can’t adjust sure, but if you look at the teams they’re getting ABs against Jones numbers are pretty good too.


Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:48 pm to
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If Jones can’t adjust sure, but if you look at the teams they’re getting ABs against Jones numbers are pretty good too.

I mean kinda, it just depends on what games you're looking at. Against Iowa, Butler, & Central Connecticut St, Beloso went 6 for 9. Against those same teams, Jones went 1 for 13. You can't just keep using small sample size as your only argument against them while not giving them any more at bats.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Datsmoneydude
Member since Jun 2021
2933 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:50 pm to
Good to see Jay doesn't read the rant and starts players because “they deserve a shot”
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 1:53 pm to
I don't understand what you are getting at.. Are you against the idea of players who are performing well getting more playing time?
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4205 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 2:07 pm to
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I don't understand what you are getting at.. Are you against the idea of players who are performing well getting more playing time?


I think what most people are saying is that they trust Johnson to know which players are going to help the team the most. He sees them training on a daily basis. He doesn’t necessarily need to give those players a chance to know what they are capable of producing. The same is true for Jones in the opposite direction. He’s not going to conclude he’s struggling against SEC pitching after 1 game.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
34664 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 2:11 pm to
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Can you tell me what in my post you disagree with exactly?
You said it isn't the first time he's struggled this season which is correct. He struggled before he came back and in the next two games proceeded to hit 4 consecutive homeruns.

So your logic is to not play him because he's struggled like he did last time before he went on a a tear? Lol ok
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 2:18 pm to
I trust Johnson as well, but the lineup now isn't going to be the set lineup for the rest of the year. He absolutely changes the lineup based on who is playing well and who is not. Hell, Pearson is all of a sudden starting his 2nd straight game after only starting 3 of the first 17 games
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 2:23 pm to
Am I going insane? I said he should not be automatically penciled in the everyday starting lineup because he is a streaky hitter who strikes out a lot. I didn't even say that he shouldn't be in the lineup today. I'm fine with it as they have a lefty on the mound. Y'all are acting like I'm crazy for saying he isn't in the same category as Crews, Morgan, Tommy, and Dugas.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
34664 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 3:31 pm to
What's up bud?
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16947 posts
Posted on 3/18/23 at 3:34 pm to
Wait did that mis hit off the end of the bat give you some sort of validation? Is Kling still crippling the lineup?
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 3:42 pm
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