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re: Worst coaching decision of the year

Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:02 am to
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34424 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:02 am to
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Pitch count means nothing. How many times a batter sees a pitcher means nothing


This has got to be one of, if not the dumbest baseball post I’ve ever seen on here. And that’s saying a lot.

Congrats on losing all credibility on anything you say past, present, and future.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2608 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:11 am to
Apparently you were watching the wrong game. Money was getting knocked hard (though the plays should have been made). His velocity was down 3 mph and his control was getting bad.
Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
2265 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:17 am to
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Had Money covered first none of those runs score.
I get that this contributed to that shite inning, but it happened with no outs and one man on. Morgan's error happened with 2 outs bases loaded.

Went back and watched Morgan's error. Ball was hit hard to his right, glove is on his right hand, all he has to do is block it.

In hindsight, Money should have been pulled immediately after that play, as he was visibly cursing out his infield, then proceeds to give up a 3-run homer.
But Morgan gets us out of that inning with a 2-0 lead if he just fields a routine ground ball.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69502 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:29 am to
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it happened with no outs and one man on.


easier to pitch and make plays with 2 outs and 1 on. Money wasn't mentally tough the entire game. He showed obvious disappointment with borderline calls, most in my opinion clearly balls. He hung his head way too much during the game.

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Morgan's error

I saw the same out of Morgan last night that I did in Money...as if neither of them were ready to play.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41742 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:34 am to
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Well you don't necessarily count on the next guy hitting a 3 run bomb after an error that should've ended the inning. Before the 3 run homer he had not given you a reason to be taken out. What you wanna take him out for, because errors were made behind him?


You just don’t know baseball. There are people here that knew the next guy would homer if they left Money in even though he hadn’t really been hit that hard. You need to keep up better.

The fact is Money started the inning having thrown 77 pitches. The bottom of the order was up for their second look at our ace. Some good Auburn luck, some mistakes on our part, and we had a tie game. Money kept pitching This was a key moment and JJ left him in. I could see him taking Money out here. He was at 92 pitches now which isn’t that many, but it was the meat of the order and some here say he was losing zip on his fastball.

These situations make baseball a great game. These situations test coaches. These situations drive message boards.

We will never know what happens if we pull Money. Everything changes. We do know what happened with Money finishing the inning. It wasn’t good.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87181 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:45 am to
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The fact is Money started the inning having thrown 77 pitches. The bottom of the order was up for their second look at our ace.
let’s add some context to these facts. First, He had thrown 77 pitches through 4 innings. That’s a lot of laboring. This wasn’t the 6th or 7th where he was being efficient. These were long innings with long ABs. That matters. Second, he’s not really an Ace in any sense of the word. No reason to add that. He’s there to eat innings and if he gives up a few fine, but as soon as he’s done, he’s done. Our bullpen has better pitchers. Finally, you’re right about the bottom of the order and it should have been easy. But it wasn’t. The real issue happened when the top of the order came up for the THIRD time. No one cared that he started the inning. No idea why you even brought it up as if people were arguing that he shouldn’t be facing the bottom for the second time. Weird strawman.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:51 am to
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Pitch count means nothing. How many times a batter sees a pitcher means nothing. How a pitcher is actually throwing and how the batters look facing him is all that matters and at that point in the game
you'll get downvoted, but you're correct.

Far too many baseball people go "by the book." But if a pitcher is throwing well, there's no need to pull him because of some arbitrary pitch count or the number of times batters have seen him.

If he's still pitching well, leave him in. When you notice he's losing velocity and missing his spots then yea, pull him.

But don't pull a guy who's pitching well. It's like benching a basketball shooter who's on fire, merely because he's reached his allotted number of minutes played.

Ride the hot hand.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2608 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:54 am to
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If he's still pitching well, leave him in. When you notice he's losing velocity and missing his spots then yea, pull him.


This is what was happening that innings before all the cluster happened. He was down to 91 from 94-95 and missing spots. Starting the inning wasn't a big deal but when you see what was going on and then the cluster happened you have to try and stop the bleeding by going to the pen.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41742 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:01 am to
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No one cared that he started the inning. No idea why you even brought it up as if people were arguing that he shouldn’t be facing the bottom for the second time. Weird strawman.

I was just painting the complete picture that’s all. Just saying the guy three 90 pitches doesn’t say it all.
And yes you are right. The 77 pitches weren’t tgst many but they were stressful. I should have put that in too.

During the game I was saying take him out. I was surprised he didn’t upon the mound visit. Exactly when was that? But that’s when I wanted him pulled.

And again, these situations make the game great. They test coaches the most.
Posted by TheGeauxt18
Member since Aug 2018
333 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:04 am to
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You just don’t know baseball. There are people here that knew the next guy would homer if they left Money in even though he hadn’t really been hit that hard. You need to keep up better.


Is this sarcasm? I really hope this is sarcasm.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
25535 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:15 am to
JJ needs to take out his coaching notes from PM.... and throw out the guidance on how long to leave in your pitcher.
Posted by TheGeauxt18
Member since Aug 2018
333 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:20 am to
A TV I bought at Best Buy. Not sure that being there adds anymore validation to your argument, but if that's how you wanna verify it go ahead . Everyone is so scared to point the finger at players when they make errors, as if somehow JJ should've known his All-American 1st baseman was gonna mess up. Morgan blew the game, it's okay he'll be better because of it. Even from home I saw a guy who had given up one hit and one walk through 4, and caught some bad breaks in the 5th. If he would've went to the pen and the same result would've happened you guys would be asking why he didn't allow Money to finish the inning so idk why I argue with people who can apparently predict the future.
Posted by stratman
NOLA
Member since Apr 2013
977 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:22 am to
Wow...you guys are brutal.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:23 am to
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This is what was happening that innings before all the cluster happened. He was down to 91 from 94-95 and missing spots. Starting the inning wasn't a big deal but when you see what was going on and then the cluster happened you have to try and stop the bleeding by going to the pen.
understood. I didn't see the game so I don't know - I was just responding to a poster who said to pull a pitcher when he hits a certain pitch count and batters have faced him 3 times.

I disagree with that rigid approach, which was the point of my post. But if our pitcher lost some velocity and accuracy then yes, he's worn out and needs to be pulled.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87181 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:40 am to
You asked me if I watched the game. I answered. I wasn’t looking for validation. I was answering your dumb question since you were insinuating I wasn’t watching. But everyone could see he was having issues. At least those who actually watched.
Posted by TheGeauxt18
Member since Aug 2018
333 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:47 am to
"I know better than coach". The story of every LSU fans life. Everyone watching would've pulled him except for JJ, that's why he's in the dugout and we're all in the bleachers. Y'all crack me up!
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87181 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:52 am to
You think he was warming Gervase just for fun?
Posted by TheGeauxt18
Member since Aug 2018
333 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:07 am to
Probably to warming him to open up the 6th inning, but you're the coach...I just watch.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87181 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:14 am to
He was warming up quickly with no outs in the 5th, runners on first and second, to get ready for the 6th? Are you retarded? Is that why he was sat down and Cooper started warming quickly too after the HR?
Posted by TheGeauxt18
Member since Aug 2018
333 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:58 am to
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He was warming up quickly with no outs in the 5th


He was warming up after the sac bunt to move runners to 2nd and third. At which time JJ knew he was gonna walk Sonny D. He had the perfect opportunity to put Gervase in, but he didn't. He sat him after the damage was done. Why?

Look we can play Devil's Advocate all day. The point is if we make routine plays then we don't put JJ in a position to decide whether or not to take a guy out or leave him in. In fact, his decision was proven right when he got the ground ball he wanted and Morgan booted it.
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