re: Will Wade is gone. Get the F over it. Man up.

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They’re young, so defense is a problem, no matter how good the coaching is

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Adam Miller - 3rd year
Juice Hill - 4th year
Derek Fountain - 3rd year
KJ Williams - 5th year
Cam Hayes - 3rd year
Tre Hannibal - 4th year

Out of 13 scholarship players only THREE are true Freshmen. 61% of the roster is 3 year players or greater. Setting aside the fact that a lot of "young" teams can manage to be better than one of the worst teams among major conference schools, this LSU team is not "young"...at all.

Hell, you could say last year's LSU team was "younger" overall than this group. 70% of the roster was 1st or 2nd year players (Eason - 2nd year; Reid - 1st year; Murray - 1st year; Gaines - 2nd year; Wilkinson - 2nd year; Fudge - 1st year). Yet, they were elite defensively.

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However, on the court, they have to put the ball THROUGH the basketball. Best coach in the world can’t help with that.

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No coach can shoot for his players. But he CAN put them in the best position to succeed. That is what good coaches do. That being the case, LSU's offensive approach is absolutely horrible. They run essentially the same sets, with very few counters off of them, that the league quickly figured out how to take away in the 3rd game of the season. They often fail to get into their half court offense until late in the shot clock. This leads to late, and often bad shots.

A guy like Adam Miller is struggling terribly from behind the arc. But it is also true that many of his shots are rushed and difficult shots. Good shooters aren't guys who can simply make shots. They are guys who know how and when to take good shots. Coming off a down screen to shoot a curing 3 pointer is a tough shot to make consistently. Getting an open three off good ball reversal or a kickout from the inside is a much easier shot. And if your outside shot is not falling, there are other ways to produce. Attack the basket and get to the line.

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They have Freshmen who need development, but need to rebuild through recruiting and/or the portal. MM is not the problem!

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This is McMahon's roster he put together. The recruiting class currently signed is ranked far lower than the one he previously brought in. Sure he'll have options in the transfer market...but how attractive will LSU be following this season?

Coming into the year you had a new HC coming off a terrific season at Murray St. He could sell recruits/transfers on his 21-22 success and immediate opportunity at LSU. Going into this offseason the sales pitch is viewed in a much different light. In a league where nearly 1/2 of the coaches were in their first years at their schools, McMahon has unequivocally been the worst. There likely won't be many highly desired transfers who look at LSU as a place they can go to be developed.

Woodward wanted a squeaky clean guy to be the face of the program while the NCAA decides our punishments. I’m sure as soon as we’re past all those sanctions, LSU will get rid of this guy and hire a real coach who can win.

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He underestimated the athleticism of the SEC and is going to have to adjust his evaluation criteria accordingly.

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He's not the only first year coach in the league this season. So if he "underestimated" the SEC, then that is a big problem.

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That’s going to take 1-2 more recruiting cycles.

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Likewise with the freshmen … he pulled who he could, but they have their limitations.

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He signed a top 30 (Ward), top 70 (Reed), and top 120 (Phillips) player in his first class. The best player in his second class (Chest) is not a top 100 player. If anything, his recruiting is getting worse...not better. So maybe he'll "adjust his evaluation criteria accordingly", right?

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He did a great job just fielding a team given the timeline.

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He did do a good job of putting together a roster after being hire. The problem is he's done a HORRIBLE job in coaching it this season.

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Sorry but I’m not one of those who want everyone fired when things don’t go as expected, but I’m also not part of the generation that wants what they want and they want it now.

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That is very virtuous of you. But in reality it has NEVER been easier to "rebuild" a program in the history of college basketball. So the mindset of thinking it is unreasonable to harshly judge a coach after one season is both flawed and antiquated. I'd be more amenable to the position of being patient IF there was any evidence whatsoever to suggest things were going to significantly improve. Unfortunately, there aren't. His incoming recruiting class is unremarkable. It is likely there will be significant roster turnover once more simply given that is the nature of college basketball today. And there is NOTHING to suggest he would be able to win with a "better" roster next season assuming he could even get one.

The expectations for LSU basketball this season were the lowest they had been in at least 6 years. Yet, McMahon has fallen woefully short of meeting even those low expectations.

Preach on Bert. The candy asses on this board don't understand or choose to ignore how the sausage is made.

Trent Johnson showed what a clean program looks like, with the Country Day pipeline flowing strong.

It would be ideal if every school followed the rules, and we lived in a world chocked full of rainbows and butterflies. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world, and I enjoy LSU sports a HELLUVA lot more when we are doing what it takes to win, by ANY MEANS necessary.

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Totally agree. Will is history. He ain’t coming back. Let’s move on.

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So where are we moving on to? Another historic loss? A recruiting class ranked in the 50’s. I don’t know if all these people are MM homers, trolls, or just don’t give a shite about LSU basketball. Brian Kelly inherited a dumpster fire and he won the West division. If Kelly had a similar season to MM, these same people saying to move on would be saying what a horrible hire Woodward made.

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That’s the thing. Woodward doesn’t know how to identify an up and coming coach and I don’t think his fat arse particularly cares if LSU basketball is successful or not

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That’s probably the most accurate statement posted on this board.

Amen!!!

I hope you're wrong about that. Woodward is my age, and grew up an LSU fan. He goes back to the Rudy, Scales, and Hi-C days. The back to back miracle runs in the tournament with J Williams, Blanton and Derrick Taylor. Also Shaq and CJ. Didn't he fall in love with LSU basketball like the rest of us who grew up during Dale's glory days???

Break it down for them brother.