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re: Will the offense realistically change this year?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:37 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:37 am to LSU GrandDad
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every play is designed to be successful if the execution is there. and the other team does NOT know exactly what we are going to do.
Our fans are dumb. LSU gets stopped, they know our plays, fire Miles. LSU stops someone, Jon Chavis is a genius.
Isn't it the Job of the DC to predict what the other team might do and set up your defense accordingly?
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 9:39 am
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:42 am to Keeble9145
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You mean like Gary Patterson did and brought his team to the next level? Great coaches adjust or get left behind.
Funny you say this, but since that change, his defenses have not been dominant like they used too. If they were, he'd have won a title by now.
LSU took the best offense in that conference to town in their bowl game.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:43 am to dgnx6
I'm not as critical as some, but there are times when the other team is totally shutting is down and their d line is knocking out dick in the dirt and we don't try anything different. It's frustrating and unlike some tards in this thread think, it's a valid discussion topic
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:45 am to Lionnation1993
quote:The fact that Miles was almost fired last season because of his unwillingness to change his offensive philosophy is plenty motivation for him to "open" up the offense more. MY BIGGEST CONCERN, is that we do become more balanced, but without any changes in the antiquated passing attack.
So what are the odds that things change?
I don't want to see 15 more low percentage deep balls per game. I want to see a quick hitting controlled passing game that also exploits the middle of the field. Just because more passes are thrown does not matter if the passing game is middle school philosophy.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:47 am to Ryan3232
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I didnt do my homework on that issue, but it definitely seemed to me that we threw the ball more than any other offense that Les Miles has had.
It just seemed like we threw it a lot more, we just CONNECTED on a lot more passes was the difference. Well, we certainly threw it a lot more than the following year, but that was because we were seriously gimped at QB with Jennings.
Here's the pass:run ratios recently:
2015 - 278:505 (35.5% passes)
2014 - 276:621 (30.8% passes)
2013 - 326:523 (38.4% passes)
2012 - 356:527 (40.3% passes)
2011 - 279:591 (32.1% passes)
2010 - 301:538 (35.9% passes)
2009 - 336:435 (43.6% passes)
2008 - 391:495 (44.1% passes)
2007 - 442:612 (41.9% passes)
2006 - 368:450 (45.0% passes)
2005 - 360:509 (41.4% passes)
So my bad, we actually saw a significant change in scheme after 2009 season, not 2008. I guess 2 years of poor passing at a higher rate scared Miles off a bit. You can clearly see the change after 2009. Only 2012 has come close to the pass:run selection since 2009 from his first 5 years here. 2014 and 2011 were years he just refused to really throw the football. 2011 we get it due to the special teams and defense. But I find it interesting in Jordan Jefferson/Jarrett Lee's freshman and sophomore years we were throwing it around 44% of the time and in their junior and senior years we threw it 36% and 32% of the time.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:48 am to griswold
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Yes. It has gone from average to horrible. A few peaks and valleys along the way, but the trend is downward.
How dumb are you? Go do some research.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:52 am to thunderbird1100
So the head coach plays to his teams strengths? Maybe that's why the bottom never fell out like several other top programs.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:59 am to dgnx6
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So the head coach plays to his teams strengths? Maybe that's why the bottom never fell out like several other top programs.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion looking at the above. There is clearly a complete shift in philosophy after the 2009 season. Even Mett as a 5th year SENIOR didn't throw it as much as Jefferson and Lee as freshmen and sophomores (and it wasn't even close really).
Also, how can you make that argument when we were throwing the ball a lot more with freshman and sophomore Lee/Jefferson than junior/senior Lee/Jefferson?
The idea here is to clearly show a scheme shift away from passing the ball after the 2009 season to what most teams would now call "run heavy" - and almost a little too much run heavy. As we've found out recently, without balance you are going to get clocked by good teams. Unless of course you have an enigma season like in 2011 where you have a historically great defense AND special teams.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:25 am to Lionnation1993
Yes...more like what we saw with a healthier Harris during the bowl game....I know TTech's defense sucks balls, but we were more creative and Brandon ran the ball well when he decided to run. Experience will be huge and execution should be better. A little more creative on 1st down will net better down & distance for the offense IMO LINK
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:37 am to thunderbird1100
Appreciate that homework. That actually surprises me to see those numbers.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:38 am to Lionnation1993
One of the best O-lines in the country and the best RB in the country, and this guy is going to throw a hissy fit when our first play from scrimmage is a running play. Classic.
If you're talking about the fans' idiocy, 0%.
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So what are the odds that things change?
If you're talking about the fans' idiocy, 0%.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:41 am to Gray Tiger
No, someone who witnessed the conversation.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:41 am to uptowntiger84
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Has it really ever changed since Miles has been here? It's more about better execution rather than of changing the offense.
Considering we had two 1000 TD WRs, a 3000 TD QB and a 1000 yd RB...with Mett, Landry, OBJ and Hill...the only time in SEC history that's happened. It's about execution and play calling.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:53 am to griswold
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Doesn't matter how well you execute if the other team knows EXACTLY what you are going to do.
You really need to educate yourself about cfb offenses. Oregon runs the same exact play 50% of the time. They just execute. College football coaches dont have the onfield practice time(20 hours a week) to install these innovatove and creative plays every week. Cfb offensive success is about execution.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:58 am to rickyh
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will not throw to the running backs coming out of the back field
You mean like we did with LF last year?
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u will see the 2 wide receiver sets and only throw deep and third and forever.
Actually if you watched lsu all year with an unbiased eye you wouldve seen that lsu was in a 3 wr set 48% of the time lasy year and it was the leading set for 10 games. But dont let facts get in the way of shitting on lsu.
here is the link showing your veiw of how much we were in 2 wr sets is wrong
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:06 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Without knowing the stat on this I am calling BS. Now, if you are saying that Oregon has 1 basic play that sets up everything else offensively I might buy that.
Oregon runs the same exact play 50% of the time
The problem with LSU's offense is they do next to nothing to set up other plays. I bet LSU runs more play action passes on 3rd and long than on 1st and 10. Realistically, LSU might have the worst play action "fakes" I have ever seen.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:17 am to Lionnation1993
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Will the offense realistically change this year?
I believe it when I see it.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:31 am to Lionnation1993
Doubt it... defense will be good enough to get us 8-9 wins save Miles arse yet again.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:40 am to Lionnation1993
IMO the more important question is; will Brandon Harris become a complete QB, and be able to carry the offense when he needs to.
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