re: Will LF get a fair shot at the Heisman

225 carries 1500 yards 18 TDs 20 rec 300 yards 2 TDs

Unless he gets 300 carries or averages something insane like 7.5 ypc on those 275-300 carries, I don't think he comes close any year. He will need a base of 2000 yards and 20 rushing TDs. Melvin Gordon is having a ridiculous year, but so is Mariota. It's pretty much Mariota's as long as he doesn't lose a game. Even still, they've pretty much made it another QB award, so he might win it anyway.

I do believe Fournette will be in NYC as a junior though. He'll get in the top six if he keeps improving.

Who cares? How often does the award go to the best player in college football? Depending on effectiveness, I would rather 3 guys carry the load than 1 to keep them ready if the #1 goes down. Ask Todd Gurley about his supposed Heisman season and that was splitting carries and taking 4 games off forcibly, then boom.

I don't care for Fournette in the return game. I do believe LSU will feature him more than most backs previously

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I don't care for Fournette in the return game

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Agreed... LSU has a shitload of players that can do returns...........

We play to win games, bro. Not individual awards.

There's no reason to overwork Fournette with the amount of talent we have (and will have) at RB.

That said, he has the potential to compete for the Heisman even if he doesn't get 25 carries per game.

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actually the less carries the better for him when you think about his professional career

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naw, this doesn't really matter much. He could do like Emmitt Smith 187 in 9 games, 229 in 11 games, 284 in 11 games, then 15 years in the NFL. Or Marshall Faulk with 201, 265, 300 and then 12 years. Or Tony Dorsett with 220, 255, 318, 370 and then 12 years. More recently LT 126, 144, 303, 369, and then 11 years. Steven Jackson 74, 319, 350, now in his 11th year. Shaun Alexander 77, 90, 258, 302 then 9 years. Michael Turner 92, 200, 310, 338 and then 9 years.

I could go on, but nah.

Fournette will finish this year with about 190 carries. IMO it's safe to assume he will average around 17-18 carries over the next two years. With or without the possibility of playoffs, he will go over 220 carries twice before he leaves unless injury occurs.

some LSU and RB statistics


highest rushing attempts in miles era
2010 - 249att, stephen ridley JR
2007 - 225att, jacob hester SR
2008 - 217att, charles scott JR
2013 - 203att, jeremy hill SO
2005 - 187att, joseph addai SR
2011 - 177att, spencer ware SO
2014 - 176att, leonard fournette FR
2012 - 142att, jeremy hill FR
2011 - 127att, michael ford SO
2010 - 123att, jordan jefferson JR
2005 - 121att, justin vincent JR
2009 - 116att, charles scott SR
2009 - 112att, jordan jefferson SO
2007 - 100att, matt flynn SR

highest attempts by freshman
2014 - 176att, leonard fournette
2012 - 142att, jeremy hill
2006 - 76att, keiland williams
2011 - 62att, kenny hilliard


LSU RUnning, LEs Miles era. attempts >50

2014 (passing jennings 213 att, harris 45 att)
176 fournette FR, 891 yd, 5.1 ypc
105 magee SR, 545 yds, 5.2 ypc
100 jennings SO 284 yds, 2.8 ypc
87 hilliard SR 431 yds, 5.0 ypc
61 williams FR 280 yds, 4.6 ypc
26 harris, 6 dural, 4 jones, 2 quinn, 2 james, 1 beckwith


2013 (passing mett 296 att, jennings 29att)
203 hill SO, 1401yd 6.9ypc
86 magee JR, 626yd, 7.3ypc
71 blue SR 343yd, 4.8ypc
68 hilliard JR, 310yd, 4.6ypc
34 mett, 19 jennings, 13 copeland, 5 beckham

2012 (passing mett 352 att, rivers/ware/wing 4)
142 hill FR, 755yd, 5.3ypc
94 ware JR, 367yd, 3.9ypc
82 hilliard SO, 464yd, 5.7ypc
71 ford JR, 392yd, 5.5ypc
47 mett, 40 blue, 21 copeland, 20 shepard

2011 (passing lee 167, jefferson 100, mett 11)
177 ware SO, 707yd, 4.0ypc
127 ford SO, 756yd, 6.0 ypc
78 blue SO, 539yd, 6.9ypc
75 jefferson SR, 263yd, 3.5ypc
62 hilliard FR, 336yd, 5.4ypc
27 magee, 8 gore, 7 shepard, 6 lee

2010 (passing jefferson 209, lee 89)
249 ridley JR, 1147yd, 4.6ypc
123 jefferson JR, 450yd, 3.7ypc
45 ford, 32 shepard, 25 murphy, 24 ware, 20 blue, 10 lee

2009 (passing 296 jefferson, lee 40)
116 scott SR, 542yd, 4.7ypc
112 jefferson SO 171yd, 1.5ypc
70 keiland williams SR, 368yd, 5.3ypc
45 shepard, 45 ridley, 27 holliday, 5 lafell

2008 (143 lee, 73 jefferson, 45 hatch)
217 scott JR, 1174yd, 5.4ypc
83 kwilliams JR, 417yd, 5.0ypc
49 jefferson, 44 murphy, 35 hatch, 21 holliday, 14 qjohnson, 12 ridley, 11 lee)

2007 (359 flynn, 75 perrilloux)
225 hester SR, 1103 yd, 4.9ypc
100 flynn SR, 215yd, 2.2ypc
70 kwilliams SO, 478yd, 6.8ypc
53 holliday SO, 364yd, 6.9ypc
52 perrilloux SO, 207yd, 4.0ypc
45 scott, 35 murphy

2006 (342 jamarcus, 20 flynn, 4 perrilloux)
94 hester JR, 440yd, 4.7ypc
76 kwilliams FR, 436yd, 5.7ypc
74 broussard JR, 281yd, 3.8ypc
57 vincent SR, 210 yd, 3.7ypc
52 jamarcus JR, 142yd, 2.7ypc
46 scott, 14 holliday, 13 flynn, 8 doucet, 4 craig davis

2005 (311 jamarcus, 48 flynn)
187 addai SR 911yds, 4.9ypc
121 vincent JR, 488yds, 4.0ypc
61 jamarcus SO, -22yd, -0.4ypc
59 carey SR, 234yd, 4.0ypc
25 hester, 16 sgreen, 12 flynn, 9 korte, 4 xcarter


heisman trophy seasons by RB, 1980+ (only in 2002 do bowl games count as official stats i think)
2009 mark ingram 271att, 1658yd, 6.1ypc, 17 TD (32rec, 334yd, 3 TD)
2005 reggie bush 200att, 1740yd, 8.7ypc, 16 TD (37rec, 478yd, 2 TD...2 punt return TD)
1999 ron dayne 337att, 2034yd, 6.0ypc, 20TD
1998 ricky williams 361att, 2124yd, 5.9ypc, 27 TD (24 rec 262yd 1 TD)
1995 eddie george 328att, 1927yd, 5.9ypc, 24 TD (47rec 417yd 1 TD)
1994 rashaan salaam 298att, 2055yd, 6.9ypc, 24 TD (24 rec 294yd 0 TD)
1988 barry sanders 344att, 2628yd, 7.6ypc, 37TD (19rec 106yd 0 TD, 2 spclteams TDs)
1985 bo jackson 278att, 1786yd, 6.4ypc, 17TD
1983 mike rozier 275att, 2148yd, 7.8ypc, 29 TD
1982 herschel walker 335att, 1752yd, 5.2ypc, 16 TD (1 rec TD)
1981 marcus allen 433att, 2427yd, 5.6ypc, 22 TD (34rec 256yd, 1 TD)
1980 charles rogers 297att, 1781yd, 6.0ypc, 14 TD)

Only if he gets better vision when he bursts through the initial line.

No, it will be a QB in a high-powered offense. Heisman is a beauty contest, and nobody thinks running the ball is beautiful anymore.

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Will LF get a fair shot at the Heisman

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He will get a fair shot. But he hasn't done anything that would make me think he has any shot at it to date.