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re: Will Jordan Jefferson start every game for LSU this season?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:16 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:16 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I think if we lose a game that can mostly and justly be blamed on Jefferson's play, then there will be a change. But if we keep winning, as long as he's healthy, JJ will start. His running threat brings too much dynamic for the coaching staff to say no
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Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There was a lot of hype about an improved JJ in August of last year.
Roger, you can check my post history - I would hardly be considered a JJ fan. However, I would like to comment again that this is not Miles/Crowton press hype to which I am referring. These are comments from multiple starters on offense, and I have not heard this type of confidence in quite some time.
Now, that being said, I am not saying JJ will be the Andrew Luck of the SEC. The most consistent comment I have heard about JJ from players is that he is and will be the starter in 2011 because of one reason and one reason only - he is the best QB on the roster at LSU. The same players have commented that if JL stays, he will be the second best QB on the roster, and - much to the chagrin of 90% of TD.com, Mett is the THIRD best QB on the roster.
Also, I am sick and fricking tired of people bashing JJ/JL and saying that they are great in practice, but they have yet to prove anything on the field. Then, in the same breath, people hail Mett as the savior when he has yet to prove a fricking thing on the field for LSU. Sure he had a good JUCO season, but JJ and JL were top notch QBs coming out of high school and have plenty of tape to back up their initial hype as well. If the knock on JJ/JL is that they have yet to prove it on the field, well then the same holds true for Mett. When you are the coach and you are going into a season where you may very well be the most talented team in the country, you damn well better play the QBs (JJ/JL) of which you know what to expect, rather than the most unproven QB on the roster. That notion is further strengthened when EVERY LSU player coming out of the spring has confirmed that Mett is the 3rd string guy and it is not even close. /rant.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 1:31 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:32 am to slackster
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Also, I am sick and fricking tired of people bashing JJ/JL and saying that they are great in practice, but they have yet to prove anything on the field.
That wouldn't be bashing by any stretch of the imagination. I think LSU fans are conditioned and rightly so, to wait and see instead of buying into the supposed hype. I am not ready to say JJ will be as horrid as last year, but will wait before buying into any improvement hype.
It's not bashing, it's a conditioned response. Everyone knows he will be the guy this year, it's time for production.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 1:37 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's not bashing, it's a conditioned response. Everyone knows he will be the guy this year, it's time for production.
I can agree with that. I just went off on a tangent in that post.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:44 am to slackster
You said EVERY LSU player coming out of spring "confirms Mett is 3rd string & it's not even close." Where did you get this info? How many players were asked? What about Kadron Boone, who caught the 60-yard td pass from Mett, a throw JJ couldn't make. Does he think Mett is not even close to Lee & is a definite 3rd string QB? Again--the spring game apparently meant nothing to a lot of coaches & players using your questionable logic.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:45 am to slackster
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I can agree with that. I just went off on a tangent in that post.
Everyone wants improvement this year. Can't blame some for the lack of faith. I am just taking a wait and see approach.
We all know the QB position will probably determine how far this team can go. It's an extremely talented and while young, very experienced group coming back. We all want the best.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:58 am to rjokerlsu
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You said EVERY LSU player coming out of spring
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Where did you get this info?
Every LSU offensive starter to which I have posed the question.
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the spring game apparently meant nothing to a lot of coaches & players using your questionable logic.
When has the spring game meant a damn thing at ANY school?
If you do not believe me, that is certainly fine. I pose to you this question - find one offensive starter who thinks Mett should be the starter? Hell, find one who thinks Mett should be second string. I will wait for your response.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:12 am to slackster
2009 JJ passing + 2010 JJ rushing = 2011 LSU SEC champs. I don't think that will neccessarily mean BCS Champs because I don't think LSU wins every game this year. I think LSU could easily lose 3 games and still win the SEC with losses to Oregon, WV, and an SEC opponent. I don't think that will happen, but it is a definite possibility. JJ will start for LSU this year. We all need to accept this and support him.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 4:30 am to BigEdLSU
quote:I don't know about spoiled, but the only thing he contributes to any fb discussion is jj bash.
You are a prime example of a completely spoiled fan.
Rudy40 is like a skip on a vinyl record.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:09 am to Mayhawman
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Every LSU offensive starter to which I have posed the question.
How many starters was that? Does that include Russel Shepard? I am very interested to hear that since he was quoted as saying all the players know JJ's problems are all mental? IF JJ is the best qb then LSU hasn't improved the qb position since you are saying a guy who couldnt break into the top 10 of the rated qb's in the SEC is our best one. That is the SEC where there are only 12 starters and JJ wasnt even 10th out of 12. Not to mention 110th out of 116 qb's overall.
Mayhawman sorry you think that pointing out JJ's stats and quotes is bashing. Would it be bashing if JJ produced good stats and didnt make assinine childish quotes?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:11 am to JJ27
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2009 JJ passing + 2010 JJ rushing = 2011 LSU SEC champs
:kige:
Posted on 6/5/11 at 6:59 am to Rudy40
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Every LSU offensive starter to which I have posed the question
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?
Not sure where you got that quote.
You don't have much to say about any other position. If the punter shanks, you'd post it was because jj didn't make a first down.
I didn't like his some of his performance last year either, but :beatdeadhorse:.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:02 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
yes.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:25 am to MississippiLSUfan
Rudy you deffinitely sound like a broken record.You've posted the 10 out of 12 sec qb's and the 110 ranking over and over. And then you finish your redundant argument with Shep says JJ's problems are all mental.
1.Find a new stump speech. This one is old.
2. Have you ever stopped to think that the mental issues Shep speaks of have nothing to do with football and that JJ was going through something in his personal life that was mentally draining? Im just saying.
1.Find a new stump speech. This one is old.
2. Have you ever stopped to think that the mental issues Shep speaks of have nothing to do with football and that JJ was going through something in his personal life that was mentally draining? Im just saying.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:25 am to slackster
quote:Until he acknowledges that his teammates are just as important to the game as himself... and it's not his personal showcase... he'll always be searching and lost.
There was a lot of hype about an improved JJ in August of last year.
It seems he just can't transcend the "Me" factor... I think he's a great natural athlete but he's terribly immature and insecure. Bottom line: he needs to grow up....today.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:09 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I already know that he can pass since he put up 2166 and 17tds in 11 and a half games on high school talent alone which is why I am not going apeshit over him starting. Krags is doing exactly what Crowton needed to do and TEACH THE QB HOW TO ELEVATE HIS GAME.
And he has had instances of consistency (all passing)
Beginning of 09
WASH 172 3td
VANDY 138
ULL 165 2td
MISS ST 233 2td
GEORGIA 212
End of 09
OLE MISS 250 2td
ARKY 179 2td
PENN ST 202 1td
He had 7 of 12 games with 64.7+ cmp%
I'll tell you right now, if his confidence improves in his passing ability then the OL will improve because they are confident in who they are protecting. The RBs will be even more productive because the load is not all on them and the WRs will be impressive and will go out their way to catch everything if their QB confidently and consistently increases his accuracy. I believe that the team becomes more impressive together when Jordan Jefferson WILL establish himself as the leader.
I don't doubt Krags track record and he will easily have JJ better than his 2009 season.
And he has had instances of consistency (all passing)
Beginning of 09
WASH 172 3td
VANDY 138
ULL 165 2td
MISS ST 233 2td
GEORGIA 212
End of 09
OLE MISS 250 2td
ARKY 179 2td
PENN ST 202 1td
He had 7 of 12 games with 64.7+ cmp%
I'll tell you right now, if his confidence improves in his passing ability then the OL will improve because they are confident in who they are protecting. The RBs will be even more productive because the load is not all on them and the WRs will be impressive and will go out their way to catch everything if their QB confidently and consistently increases his accuracy. I believe that the team becomes more impressive together when Jordan Jefferson WILL establish himself as the leader.
I don't doubt Krags track record and he will easily have JJ better than his 2009 season.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:18 am to tigerpawl
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Rudy you deffinitely sound like a broken record.You've posted the 10 out of 12 sec qb's and the 110 ranking over and over. And then you finish your redundant argument with Shep says JJ's problems are all mental.
Again sorry if you dont like it but that is how quarterbacks are measured and you dont find it alarming that LSU's starting qb was just about worst in the country last year???? As far as the mental dont really know of anything he is going thru and the entire quote is and I will paraphrase the entire team knows Jordan's problem is all mental.One play is good and the next is like aw come on Jordan.
Dont know if it is anything he is going through but the quote doesnt sound like that. I think and many others do as well it means he is weak mentally. If I am wrong and it is something personal bothering him if it affects him enough that he is one of the worst qb's in the country then he shouldnt be on the field.
Mayhawman I think LSU is loaded at every other position and even at qb I think they have good talent other than Jefferson. Show me where I have blamed other players shortcomings on JJ??????? I do hold him responsible for being a horrible qb and impairing the LSU offense which is what happens when you have a qb who makes bad decisions and is very inaccurate. Lots of 3 and outs. Again show me a post where I have blamed JJ for another player's faults?????????????
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:29 am to Rudy40
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I am very interested to hear that since he was quoted as saying all the players know JJ's problems are all mental?
I am far from a JJ apologist, but how do you translate this quote to mean that JJ is not the best option at QB for LSU? If RS had said that JJ just can't make the throws, I'd be concerned. Instead, he stated that the problems are mental (confidence?), which can certainly be fixed with coaching ... something that Crowton apparently never tried. It pained me to watch JJ at times last year, but with the talent on this team and the potential for a special season, I would be shocked and maybe even pissed if anyone other than JJ trotted out to take the first snap agains Oregon. Now if JJ stinks it up over the first 3-4 series, I'll be looking for Lee to come in for a change of pace.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:47 am to 1984Tiger
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am far from a JJ apologist, but how do you translate this quote to mean that JJ is not the best option at QB for LSU? If RS had said that JJ just can't make the throws
I interpret as meaning mentally weak and unable to lead the offense due to this inadequacy. I already know he cant make the throws. How many times last year on a simple bubble screen did he throw behind the receiver, over his head, at his feet or where the receiver had to dive and that ended the play? Go back and look at the film he struggles on a simple easy pass not to mention him trying to hit guys in stride down the field. I know some will say Alabama and the Cotton Bowl but go back and look at the other 12 games he is wildly inaccurate.
You might be pissed if any one other than JJ trots out to start the year but I think you would be more pissed to see this talent on offense waisted because we have a qb who cant get receivers the ball.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 9:05 am to Rudy40
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I interpret as meaning mentally weak and unable to lead the offense due to this inadequacy.
It figures thats how you would interpret that statement even though he never got anywhere close to saying anything like that.
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