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re: Why we hired Les Miles
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:52 pm to wryder1
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:52 pm to wryder1
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Why we hired Les Miles
On January 4, 2004, every LSU fan tasted something 70% of us had never tasted before. When Nick Saban held that Crystal Ball over head and every LSU fan was partying the night away, little did we know that LSU football would never be same.
Everything changed from a fan and players perspective because WE KNEW WE COULD COMPETE with any team in the nation and win! We could compete in recruiting and in doing so, we could compete on the field week in and week out.
Then on December 25 2004 the guy who showed us all these great things we were capable of left and LSU needed to find somebody to keep us at the top.
LSU needed a coach who could:
- keep our state locked down
- bring in top flight talent in the positions our state couldnt supply.
- At least split Auburn & Florida (at that time) bc those were the 2 best and most consistant programs we faced during that time. This will give us the best chance at winning the west.
- Beat the hell out of the small teams and beat the middle weight teams of the SEC that were competitive (Arkansas, Ole Piss, Tenn, South Carolina and UGA) on their rotation/or good year.
-Make great position coach hires and cordinator hires.
Well things have changed since then and now UF and Bama are the 2 big games every year we must, at worst, split in order to contend for the west.
So we put our trust in Les is More and we hired the Mad Hatter.
Now I will be there first to admit that:
1) Les has done an outstanding job at recruiting. Nobody can deny that.
2) Was loyal to LSU when his Alma Mater came calling.
However he is not doing these things:
1) Developing talent as it should be.
2) Putting the best players on the field and maximizing our talent advantage.
3) Utilizing our talent in big games to give his players the best chance at winning.
4) Making in game decisions.
5) Playing to our strengths and to the talent we have at that particular season. He constantly tries to pound a square peg in a round hole, year in and year out!
6) failed miserably with the Malveto project (fixed it though with Chavis) Now its Crowton.
So I ask all you "positigers" how can you be happy with where the program is?
Can you not see the fine line that has been walked this year with miracle wins at Miss St, UGA and a horrible game against Tech?
We have only played 1 complete game all year and that was against Auburn.
This is rediculous guys! All the signs are there that our program is walking a fine line between a good team and disaster. If recruiting fails for 1 year, LSU will do so for a long time under Miles.
Awesome talent is making up for Miles incompetence right now. How long will it keep his hat above water?
You are completely full of shite.
You know nothing about football or coaching. Do not presume to tell us what is "wrong" with a program that has a NC and SECC in the last 3 years, wins every bowl game for the last 4 and already has 8 wins this year and will go to a bowl game.
You are an arse.
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Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:53 pm to wryder1
We won in 2003 because everything fell into place.
That doesn't mean Les is or is not a good coach. He won the SEC championship and once LSU was selected to go to the BCS championship game, he won that too.
How we were selected had little to do with Miles' abilities, besides talking up the fact that they were overtime losses on ESPN. The rest is luck, like every other BCS championship.
Let's see how this season ends before we go into full meltdown with pitchforks for Miles' and Crowton's head. Miles has an almost 80% winning record, SEC title, and BCS title. Calm down.
That doesn't mean Les is or is not a good coach. He won the SEC championship and once LSU was selected to go to the BCS championship game, he won that too.
How we were selected had little to do with Miles' abilities, besides talking up the fact that they were overtime losses on ESPN. The rest is luck, like every other BCS championship.
Let's see how this season ends before we go into full meltdown with pitchforks for Miles' and Crowton's head. Miles has an almost 80% winning record, SEC title, and BCS title. Calm down.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:53 pm to ndtiger
2003 was a completely different ball game. The only thing we could have done differently was beat Florida half way through the season. However we didn't lose to an unranked Arkansas team during the last week of regular season play, which then required having the human polls launch LSU from #4 or #5 all the way to #2 due to WVU's and Mizzou's losses, not to mention national favorite UGA who was the hottest team in the nation at the end of the regular season.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:56 pm to wryder1
Wryder, it's pretty annoying how everyone forgets that the entire solar system aligned for LSU and Saban to get into the mnc in 03. How fans forget that is beyond me. It's the reason we had a split title and beef with USC. But keep twisting facts to knock our Coach.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:58 pm to rtgr
Ok guys,
you are all right. Les Miles is a great coach who will bring LSU to another NC. He will someday not have a 2 loss season or worst AND MAYBE LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES. I dont know what I was thinking. I guess I just fell off in the deep end for a while. Thanks for bringing me back to the promise land and for believing that Miles is awesome. I sure hope he runs the option 20 times against Ole Miss because I now know that it will work because Miles said so.
Thanks guys
you are all right. Les Miles is a great coach who will bring LSU to another NC. He will someday not have a 2 loss season or worst AND MAYBE LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES. I dont know what I was thinking. I guess I just fell off in the deep end for a while. Thanks for bringing me back to the promise land and for believing that Miles is awesome. I sure hope he runs the option 20 times against Ole Miss because I now know that it will work because Miles said so.
Thanks guys
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:58 pm to wryder1
I aplaued you. That is the straight truth. Thank you. He is not an sec level coach.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 6:59 pm to OFWHAP
Look at our 2007 schedule compared to USC, and Oklahoma's and then compare our loses.
You can't use a luck argument for us being in the Ship, and then use a talent argument for Utah not being in it. ANd as i remember Utah beat Bama by more points than Florida did.
You can't use a luck argument for us being in the Ship, and then use a talent argument for Utah not being in it. ANd as i remember Utah beat Bama by more points than Florida did.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:09 pm to wryder1
miles is a big believer in delegation.
all of the things you mention that he isn't doing-- well, he isn't doing those things because he delegated them to his two coordinators.
and thats fine. in fact that frees him up to do some other things, big picture items, motivation, recruiting, etc. I like the delegation model personally.
But he has made some errors in the past about who he has delegated to. He fixed one of those errors with a hire this year in Chavis.
I think he will fix the other error at the end of the season.
Miles is a good coach and a great delegator and if he gets an offensive coordinator thats not out of his MIND then we'll be solid and you can move stuff from the "we're not doing" to the "doing well" column.
thats my thoughts.
all of the things you mention that he isn't doing-- well, he isn't doing those things because he delegated them to his two coordinators.
and thats fine. in fact that frees him up to do some other things, big picture items, motivation, recruiting, etc. I like the delegation model personally.
But he has made some errors in the past about who he has delegated to. He fixed one of those errors with a hire this year in Chavis.
I think he will fix the other error at the end of the season.
Miles is a good coach and a great delegator and if he gets an offensive coordinator thats not out of his MIND then we'll be solid and you can move stuff from the "we're not doing" to the "doing well" column.
thats my thoughts.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:12 pm to wryder1
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Was it Les Mile's coaching ability that got us into that NC or was it the fact that 2 teams lost on the last game of the season and we got in because of pure luck and the football god's grace.
God intervened,
Sincerely Kentucky and Arkansas 2007
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:28 pm to wryder1
I thought LSU hired Les because some of the top candidates said no?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:35 pm to bigpapamac
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I THINK LES MILES JUST PLAY WAY CONSERV TO NOT LOOSE HIS JOB BUT DONT REALISE HE LOOSIN HIS FAN BASE REMEMBER STICK 2 WAT YOU KNO 4TH AND 1 AGAINST ALABAMA THE OL MILE WOULDNT WENT 4 IT NO MATTER WHO OUR PLAYERS WAS HE PUNT JULIO JONES SCORE NEXT PLAY OHOH CAN YOU HEAR IT THE ROAR OF US FANS IS SINGIN LA,LA,LALA AYEEEE GODBYE..
This is a joke, right?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:36 pm to bigpapamac
Miles was on the original short list of candidates. There doesn't seem to have been a consensus #1 choice from what I have since read of the hiring process.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:39 pm to atchafalaya
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and thats fine. in fact that frees him up to do some other things, big picture items, motivation, recruiting, etc. I like the delegation model personally.
So Les Miles is a recruiting specialist basically? It seems he has trouble motivating our team outside of bowl games and then two, maybe three big games during the regular season.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:39 pm to wryder1
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Was it Les Mile's coaching ability that got us into that NC or was it the fact that 2 teams lost on the last game of the season and we got in because of pure luck and the football god's grace.
You do realize that the same shite had to happen in 2003 for LSU to make it to the title game? We got in on computers because of some random teams winning/losing late into the night on that last day of the season. Still had to win the game against the #1 team in the country.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:40 pm to wryder1
quote:
Can you not see the fine line that has been walked this year with miracle wins at Miss St, UGA and a horrible game against Tech? We have only played 1 complete game all year and that was against Auburn. This is rediculous guys! All the signs are there that our program is walking a fine line between a good team and disaster. If recruiting fails for 1 year, LSU will do so for a long time under Miles. Awesome talent is making up for Miles incompetence right now. How long will it keep his hat above water?
STFU we're 8-2 with the potential to finish 11-2 and be a shoe in for a preseason national title contender next year. We went 8-5 last year in les' first "bad" year, he made the changes and went and got a GREAT d-coordinator, Oh and as far as how games are close stfu SEC games are always like that can't believe your baby arse isn't over the state game. Do you remember UAB, How bout how we almost lost to Oregon State, WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND IN 04 TO BEAT TROY AT HOME DON'T REMEMBER THAT ONE HUH. please quit your f@cking whining and go root for another team, Our program is fine.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:46 pm to OFWHAP
Nice analysis. Thanks for breaking that down. I tired of the NC bangers. Be honest and recognize that in 2007 we lost to Kentucky and at home against Arkansas. It was a freaky and lucky season. Not enough to keep the coach today.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 7:48 pm to OFWHAP
i think his motivating has been poor for sure.
the thing about miles though is he is the type of person that has to believe the hype/motivation he is dishing out, and i think he looks at crowton's program/methods/plans/philosophy/schema and shites his pants. i think he doesnt believe in it either, just like KW doesnt believe in it, and J Lee doesnt believe in it, and a host of others, including me.
the thing about miles though is he is the type of person that has to believe the hype/motivation he is dishing out, and i think he looks at crowton's program/methods/plans/philosophy/schema and shites his pants. i think he doesnt believe in it either, just like KW doesnt believe in it, and J Lee doesnt believe in it, and a host of others, including me.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:05 pm to wryder1
quote:
Was it Les Mile's coaching ability that got us into that NC or was it the fact that 2 teams lost on the last game of the season and we got in because of pure luck and the football god's grace.
That year we Les Miles coached us out of a NC but luck put us back in.
Les lost to Kentucky for benching Scott the entired 2nd half. HE HAD OVER 100 YARDS IN THE FIRST HALF!
Then he lost to Arkansas because he could not take advantage of early awesome field position and Mcfadden and their fullback coming out of the back field ALL DAY!
Why people still refuse to see this is beyond me. Saban didn't coach us out of it in 2003. He put us in position to get in. Les didn't, and it was a total fluke that we got in with 2 losses. It will never happen again, though, so i hope all of you enjoyed it. Les is good for AT LEAST 2 losses a season. Simple fact.
What are you hat-sniffers going to say after the 2nd loss next year? More "it's still in development" bullshite?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:11 pm to wryder1
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and we got in because of pure luck and the football god's grace.
By this rationale, Saban only won one SEC Championship.
Never will again will an SEC team win an SEC Championship with 3 loses. We did in 2001.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:17 pm to SmackDaniels
Because Saban at first said he wasn't going anywhere and Spurrier then went to South Carolina.
And before you say the ol' ball coach has lost it at South Carolina , LSU talent >>>> USC talent
And before you say the ol' ball coach has lost it at South Carolina , LSU talent >>>> USC talent
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