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Why was Jonathan Zeringue a star at LSU and a bust in the minors?

Posted on 8/13/21 at 5:49 pm
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 5:49 pm
He spent most of his time in Single A and never even sniffed the majors. What skills of his were lacking?
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 5:54 pm to
He did well at LSU but he struck out a lot
That’s the sacrifice for the power he produced
Mlb is a whole different animal
There have been a lot of very good LSU players that didn’t do well in pro ball
Plus the competition goes way up and you are competing with the Latin players
Around his time peds were still prevalent as well
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 5:55 pm to
Baseball is a hard game and it gets really hard once they start paying you for it
Posted by mattchewbocca
houma, la
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 6:01 pm to
He pitched against us in high school. Had a triple and a home run off of him. But he’s no pitcher and his fast ball was flat. Was hoping he’d make it big after he signed my home run ball. Cool guy.
Posted by 3rdRowTailgater
Tulsa
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 6:09 pm to
It's incredibly difficult to make it to MLB. Every year there are "can't miss prospects" who never sniff the league.
Posted by Damathe
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 6:54 pm to
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He did well at LSU but he struck out a lot
That’s the sacrifice for the power he produced
Quote from another poster begins to explain it if you're looking for more than a general reason like "the competition get's fierce."
The strikeouts at college level tend to get worse as the pitching gets better. A key for all players that don't have elite bat to ball skills is the percentage of times they get production out of good pitches to hit. Extreme example: Dave Kingman wasn't excellent at it, but when successful he hit balls that should have had stewardesses on them. Kong would hit .220 but the 35 bombs from when he connected with a good pitch to hit produced runs.
Less power but Kevin Kouzmanoff comes to mind also. For every 12-15 pitcher's mistakes in the middle 1/3 of the plate, he'd get roughly 5 hits. Considerably higher than his .260 or so lifetime average but that skill got him (I think) 7 or 8 years of MLB service time.
Most guys---like Zeringue even in college---with big power swing and miss so much that they must produce when they get a pitch to hit much more than a guy who can handle the bat enough to foul off a tough pitch or two and increase his chances of the pitcher making a mistake and giving him a chance to hit a "cookie" that the power hitter would never see.
Watch any Dodgers game. Count the times guys foul off tough pitches with 2 strikes then get hits/smake solid contact on something in the middle 1/3 of the plate. Now watch Bellinger swing his arse off on every pitch. Who has more chances to produce hits/runs?
Z just wasn't able to do something run production wise with enough of the good pitches to hit that he saw.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:02 pm
Posted by H. E. Pennypacker
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:39 pm to
Wasn’t he on the playing for peanuts series with Wally Backman?
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:42 pm to
Jonathan Zeringue once told me to never put pussy on a pedestal in Thibodaux at Last Call.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:43 pm to
Curveball
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 8:54 pm to
More interesting to me is why this question and why now
Posted by MorningWood
On the coast of North Mexico
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:55 pm to
Agreed this is a little out of right field
Posted by fightntiger32
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:31 am to
He should have gotten Joe Boo to help him with the curve ball :)
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:31 am to
He couldn't hit off speed. I was by no means a great pitcher, but I struck him out three times in an American Legion game.

The fourth time he hit a 400 foot bomb. That is the kind of player he was.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:20 am to
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Plus the competition goes way up and you are competing with the Latin players


Yeah these guys eat ,sleep and breath Baseball. Usually are put in academies at an early age and that's all they do most of their day.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:29 am to
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He pitched against us in high school. Had a triple and a home run off of him. But he’s no pitcher and his fast ball was flat. Was hoping he’d make it big after he signed my home run ball. Cool guy.





He rarely ever pitched. When he did, it was as a closer and he threw 93. You would have never batted twice off of him, and I seriously doubt you homered and tripled off someone throwing 93, who also was wild as hell. I don’t recall him ever starting a game, hell I can barely recall him ever pitching. The few times he did, he was just throwing as hard as he could for the scouts. I pitched 10xs more than he did. And if you did homer off of him, and got to bat again, he probably would have hit you.

Making it in baseball isn’t easy, at all. Most guys simply don’t have the patience or the love of the game to make it through the minors waiting for your chance to get to the pros. Look at how long it took Austin Nola. Most guys just arent going to deal with little pay and shitty accommodations while playing almost every single day without much of a life outside baseball.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:38 am to
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He couldn't hit off speed. I was by no means a great pitcher, but I struck him out three times in an American Legion game.

The fourth time he hit a 400 foot bomb. That is the kind of player he was.


This I can believe.
I watched him hit two of the farthest hit balls I’ve ever seen in my life playing at Assumption. There was a huge pecan tree right past the left field foul pole and he hit it over it twice as foul balls then struck out. Had a bunch of scouts at that game and he was pretty pissed about that one. But I’m pretty sure everyone was impressed, I know I was. He probably hit that first one 500’. That tree is probably 30 feet behind the fence, just foul, and had to be a good 100’ tall at that time, and he hit it over it.

Jon is the reason I can appreciate when someone catches one of those insanely high infield pop ups. There is nothing easy about catching a big league infield sky high pop up. That ball is coming down a lot faster than you expect.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10324 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:47 am to
Because hitting professional pitching isn't easy. It's like facing a Friday night SEC starter every night. He actually spent most of his time at AA. Pitchers at that level are a phone call away from the big leagues. He wasn't a bust. A bust would be a guy like a 1st round pick like Jeff Ledbetter from FSU who hit 42 HR's in his final college season that goes on to hit 43 in 5 minor league seasons. Teams will give up on you very quickly if your skills don't translate to the next level.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:51 am to
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He should have gotten Joe Boo to help him with the curve ball :)
Posted by Geaux2LSU
Member since Sep 2012
921 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:03 am to
He pitched against us in high school, 2 complete games. I was 10-10, 8 hrs and 2 triples. Great pitcher I was just a greater hitter. Cool guy though told me I was best hitter he’d ever seen.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81262 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:44 am to
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I struck him out three times in an American Legion game.


You vs Matthewbocca would've been an all-time match-up.
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