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Why Pull a Starter Who is Throwing a No-Hitter
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:19 pm
Pirates Manager Derek Shelton pulled Paul Shenes after seven innings in the midst of a no-hit pitching effort because Shenes had thrown 99 pitches in a 1-0 game Thursday. Why? What is wrong with a strong pitcher throwing a complete game, especially a no-hitter? For most of baseball's history, the starter was expected to go the distance. In the mid-70's Catfish Hunter threw 30 complete games and Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches over 13 innings to win a 4-3 game. But today, college and pro managers make the decisions before the game starts how long a pitcher will go. Twenty and more complete games was common place into the 1980's but there has been just one double-digit (11) complete game performance in 21st Century. Three complete games led the major leagues last year. Shenes deserved a shot at the no-hitter but he was stopped by manager interference.
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:20 pm to Tenntig
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Pirates Manager Derek Shelton pulled Paul Shenes after seven innings in the midst of a no-hit pitching effort because Shenes
who?
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:23 pm to Tenntig
Catfish Hunter threw his last pitch 45 years ago.
Have you watched baseball since?
Have you watched baseball since?
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:24 pm to Ash Williams
Easy to say when we have nothing invested in this kid. He is the Ace to the staff for years to come as long as they can resign him when his contract is up, which is unlikely. They have a lot of guaranteed money invested in him over the next few years. nothing wrong with being cautious with him in year one. yes we know he would most likely be fine and I would have loved to see them let him go for it but it doesn't cost me at all if he happens to get hurt.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:24 pm to Tenntig
What a dumb call by that coach.
Sounds like a power move.
Sounds like a power move.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:31 pm to Tenntig
So he’s not Stephen Strasburg
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:32 pm to Tenntig
The Dodgers once pulled Clayton Kershaw in the seventh inning with a perfect game going.
He was coming off injury and his long-term availability was considered more important than a single game.
He was coming off injury and his long-term availability was considered more important than a single game.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:32 pm to Tenntig
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Shenes
This thread gave me AIDS
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:39 pm to Jack Daniel
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So he’s not Stephen Strasburg
They pulled Strasbourg a lot earlier than 99 pitches, and his rag arm still broke.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:53 pm to Tenntig
He was stopped because his coach said it was easy to see he was gassed.
There are hundreds of coaches who left pitchers in and then got hurt.
Even more coaches who took out a pitcher and they were good to pitch in the rotation. That coach can never prove himself right.
There are hundreds of coaches who left pitchers in and then got hurt.
Even more coaches who took out a pitcher and they were good to pitch in the rotation. That coach can never prove himself right.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:55 pm to Portcityblues
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Easy to say when we have nothing invested in this kid. He is the Ace to the staff for years to come as long as they can resign him when his contract is up, which is unlikely.
It is easy to say, and I do think the extreme pitch count restrictions are still debatable as to the extent to which they help avoid injuries, etc.
But Skenes reminds me a lot of Strausburg and that poor dude's been hurt most of his career. And the first thing everyone does when pitchers get hurt is look to see if the team, coach, organization overused him.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 12:55 pm to Portcityblues
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nothing wrong with being cautious with him in year one.
They’re still in the hunt for the postseason & their other ace Jones is already injured till August
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:02 pm to Tenntig
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Why Pull a Starter Who is Throwing a No-Hitter
It’s a marathon not a sprint. Had he not had the walk, you likely would’ve seen him in the 8th with a Perfect Game on the line.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:07 pm to Tenntig
Only one reason would be to keep his arm fresh
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:08 pm to BourreTheDog
Players today want to be paid record contracts, then demand “load management”. Basically being paid more, and playing less than previous generations.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:13 pm to Tenntig
because he hit 100 pitches
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:13 pm to Tenntig
Catfish Hunter threw 30 CG at 29 and his career was done at 33 after missing chunks of the next 4 seasons.
So probably why Skenes is on a pitch count
So probably why Skenes is on a pitch count
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:15 pm to Bumble Bee
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Players today want to be paid record contracts, then demand “load management”. Basically being paid more, and playing less than previous generations.
This isn’t a Skenes decision. This is The Pirates front office minimizing injury risk for the 5yrs they have him because in 2029, they know he’s a $400Million arm they can’t afford.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:16 pm to Bumble Bee
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Players today want to be paid record contracts, then demand “load management”. Basically being paid more, and playing less than previous generations.
Paul Skenes is under team control and they manipulated his service time so they get him for essentially 7 seasons before he hits FA.
But also teams look at players as long term investments.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 1:18 pm to goatmilker
quote:Fastball was at 97, splitter 93 in the 7th. I'm no MLB skip but to me its hard to say he was gassed when he was still hitting these numbers. He only threw 6 pitches in the 7th.
He was stopped because his coach said it was easy to see he was gassed.
I would agree with the manager if he came out and said, "Look we cant let him throw more than 110 pitches and we know he cant go 2 more innings in 11 more pitches so we did what was best for paul and the team and got our setup guy in there.
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