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Why our coaching model might work
Posted on 1/1/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 4:56 pm
I didn't like the O hire but, let's take a look at why this might work.
We are paying serious coin for coordinators. Yes. I know that most places pay the top dog a ton and let it play out from there. And. If the top dog is a freak like that arse to our East, that's the correct model.
But. We've also seen many schools were the top dog really needed better coordinators.
Maybe if O can keep the recruiting train flowing, letting the coordinators do their thing will work.
Also. I don't think the title handed Aranda was just window dressing. Will be interesting to see.
Now look. I know that if this model works, it will be an exception. But, I do think we have stud coordinators. So. I'm cautiously optimistic. Certainly FAR more so than when the choice was initially made.
We are paying serious coin for coordinators. Yes. I know that most places pay the top dog a ton and let it play out from there. And. If the top dog is a freak like that arse to our East, that's the correct model.
But. We've also seen many schools were the top dog really needed better coordinators.
Maybe if O can keep the recruiting train flowing, letting the coordinators do their thing will work.
Also. I don't think the title handed Aranda was just window dressing. Will be interesting to see.
Now look. I know that if this model works, it will be an exception. But, I do think we have stud coordinators. So. I'm cautiously optimistic. Certainly FAR more so than when the choice was initially made.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 4:58 pm
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Posted on 1/1/17 at 4:57 pm to ShortyRob
It works as long as they can maintain coordinators... Issue is who they replace Aranda with when he leaves
Posted on 1/1/17 at 4:58 pm to ShortyRob
It's the same model Clemson has employed and it's working out well for them over the last few years. The difference being of course, Dabo didn't have a stint as a HC where he failed miserably before becoming the HC at Clemson.
I actually like the strategy, I just am not sold on whether we chose the right head guy to run it. Hopefully O proves me wrong.
I actually like the strategy, I just am not sold on whether we chose the right head guy to run it. Hopefully O proves me wrong.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 4:58 pm to tduecen
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works as long as they can maintain coordinators... Issue is who they replace Aranda with when he leaves
Yep. A legit concern. You basically have to commit to always going big when replacing coordinators
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:01 pm to ShortyRob
LSU will be fine the next two years, but constantly hiring stud coordinators when ours leave will be quite a task.
We will always need two stud coordinators. Most quality head coaches only need one stud.
Will be difficult to maintain year after year.
We will always need two stud coordinators. Most quality head coaches only need one stud.
Will be difficult to maintain year after year.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:01 pm to tduecen
We will replace coordinators with the best available.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:03 pm to ShortyRob
Aranda is more valuable than Orgeron.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:04 pm to Marfa
quote:I agree. Which makes things interesting.
Aranda is more valuable than Orgeron.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:04 pm to ShortyRob
Maybe. Hope so.
But I will hold on to my doubts that the LSU admin is smart enough to figure out this formula, while no one else in college football had done it.
But I will hold on to my doubts that the LSU admin is smart enough to figure out this formula, while no one else in college football had done it.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:05 pm to ShortyRob
So we are paying a guy almost 4 million to recruit and hope we have homerun hires for coordinators. It's risky because if we don't land the next Aranda, O won't be able to pick up the slack and we are screwed.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:05 pm to SportTiger1
quote:Dunno. As someone else mentioned. It's at least partially arguable that Clemson did exactly that
But I will hold on to my doubts that the LSU admin is smart enough to figure out this formula, while no one else in college football had done it.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:07 pm to ShortyRob
How is this model any different than the model we already had?
Most successful programs have two stud coordinators now.
I don't think this is that significant. He will be successful or not, but we haven't done anything new here.
Most successful programs have two stud coordinators now.
I don't think this is that significant. He will be successful or not, but we haven't done anything new here.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:08 pm to ShortyRob
Something tells me that CEO has learned much more than some folks on here want to give him credit for...I'll bet his binder is full of potential OCs, DCs, and position coaches... and will stay current going forward...I give him credit for having learned from each of the fine HCs he has worked with...and btw, many people, just like myself, have to learn the hard way,ie, through experience and hard knocks...it's not always fun that way, but it usually leaves a lasting impression when failure strikes...I for one learned more from my coaching losses than my wins...jmho
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:08 pm to DBU
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Dabo didn't have a stint as a HC where he failed miserably before becoming the HC at Clemson.
Dabo did not have two stints as interim head coach at two high profile programs What was DAbos' interim record at Clemson?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:10 pm to tigersbb
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interim head coach
Experience as an actual HC means more than experience as an interim HC when it comes to determining whether a guy can run and sustain a program from the ground up
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:I would argue that for the model to work, the HC has to be deferential to the coordinators so they can be their best.
How is this model any different than the model we already had
Miles ego could NOT allow that.
As to most programs having two stud coordinators. Meh. All of Nick's DCs SEEM stud. Doesn't mean they actually are. Same for some offensive guru HCs.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:13 pm to ShortyRob
Can work for a short period of time, then naturally you'll lose those coordinators to bigger and better things. BUT, if it does work then you'll have an easier time on the next round getting the best and brightest coordinators because LSU then becomes THE ultimate stepping stone.
Replacing HC's vs. coordinators? I tend to think that replacing a HC usually requires replacing the coordinators anyway. So I don't forsee that being an issue.
ETA: Oh, and add LSU being the only CFB team to have a general manager to the equation as a new model. I find that aspect most interesting.
Replacing HC's vs. coordinators? I tend to think that replacing a HC usually requires replacing the coordinators anyway. So I don't forsee that being an issue.
ETA: Oh, and add LSU being the only CFB team to have a general manager to the equation as a new model. I find that aspect most interesting.
This post was edited on 1/1/17 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:15 pm to ShortyRob
I said most, so there are exceptions, but even many super hands-on coaches that used to call plays have passed on those duties these days.
Kiffin won't even call plays at FAU and plans to be a CEO type coach.
I wasn't a fan of the hire at all, but people act like Orgeron doesn't know anything about football.
Kiffin won't even call plays at FAU and plans to be a CEO type coach.
I wasn't a fan of the hire at all, but people act like Orgeron doesn't know anything about football.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:15 pm to ShortyRob
When a coach has NFL players at every position, the job gets a whole lot easier going forward...and many were rated #1 right out of high school, example,Cam Rob...sure Shorty is a good coach, but he wouldn't be half what some think he is without his superior recruiting method, whatever it is...
Posted on 1/1/17 at 5:22 pm to tduecen
Why our coaching model might workIt works as long as they can maintain coordinators... Issue is who they replace Aranda with when he leaves Wouldn't it be the same question that would need to be answered if Jimbo or Hermann came here?? Yes it would.
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