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re: Why isn’t Woodward getting more hate?
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:41 am to southsidedell
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:41 am to southsidedell
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I have seen plenty of Woodward hate here on this board. There isnt much that gonna happen with that until LSU gets a new Prez though right?
I think Woody has a lot of protection through the big money people
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Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:46 am to Adam Banks
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You, like Woodward, can’t think outside of the box and are still running the playbook from 20-30 years ago wanting an experienced head coach maybe at a lower P5 looking for the next step.
No one on the BOS or the fan base as as a whole would have signed off on or supported hiring an unproven assistant coach to take over after firing a national title-winning coach. That option was never on the table for Woodward. Woodward has to have the support of the people writing the checks. He wouldn't have had that with any of those assistants.
That's what people like you still fail to grasp yet think you can go back in time with what you know now.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:49 am to saturncube21
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He offered that ridiculous contract to BK
Late to the party? Every other thread is a fire Woodward thread.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:52 am to lsufball19
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That option was never on the table for Woodward.
Hence why I said he is FAR too closed minded.
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Woodward has to have the support of the people writing the checks.
Woodwards job is to find the best coach. That’s all he has to do and sell that and the new coaches vision.
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He wouldn't have had that with any of those assistants.
He didn’t try.
You sell them on the fact that they watched Kirby dominate the SEC starting year 2 and you have the next Kirby Smart.
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That's what people like you still fail to grasp yet think you can go back in time with what you know now.
No. I go back in time to not repeat history.
By you continuing to ignore history we will be doomed to repeat it.
You create a completely false narrative which absolves Woodward of any blame by ignoring the program changing hires that were available AND hired in the same cycle.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He just fired Kelly. You people just want to bitch
Did he have a choice?
He hired him. Paid him with someone else's the money.
He knows he is next. You can fool some of the people some of the time. Eventually the people who sign the checks wake up.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 11:58 am to Gus007
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Dead man walking
As he should be
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:00 pm to Gus007
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Did he have a choice?
Absolutely. But dont let that stop your torch and pitchfork party
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:08 pm to Adam Banks
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No. I go back in time to not repeat history.
Do you want me to lay out all the assistant hires at major schools that were complete busts? Since you want to look at history and all
Will Muschamp
Sylvester Croom
Zach Arnett
Jeff Lebby
Matt Luke
Ed Orgeron (at ole miss, also only lasted 4.5 years at LSU)
Charlie Weis
Sherrone Moore
Clay Helton
Dave Aranda
Mike Shula
Mike Dubose
Bill O'Brien
Brent Vanables
Jeremy Pruitt
Derek Dooley
Sam Pittman
And that's just guys who went straight from assistant jobs to HC jobs at power conferences. If you want to get into the G5 to P5 discussion, I'm happy to do that as well. The hit rate is poor there, as a whole, as well.
It's like you think there is some magic potion to make a hire that is guaranteed. Those don't exist outside a Nick Saban who also isn't available anymore. AD's with money try to make the most risk-avers hire and try to marry that with a hire that has a high ceiling as well. On paper, Brian Kelly made more sense than anyone else hirable in 2021. That doesn't mean he ended up being the best hire, but unfortunately AD's don't possess the ability to see into the future.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:10 pm to Adam Banks
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You forgot:
Dan Lanning
Marcus Freeman
Mike Elko
It’s always such a convenient excuse for the Woodward apologists to use his short list to justify Kelly.
I didn't forget them. All 3 were coordinators getting their 1st Head Coaching Jobs (one was an internal promotion, not an outright hire). If you think LSU fans were going to be cool giving a coordinator their HC first gig, you're dreaming. Yes they have all worked out well (Elko did jump schools though), but they were never in conisderation at LSU
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:13 pm to saturncube21
I think from this point on, if not fired, Woodward will be micro managed. He will the face of the AD, but not have control over anything. He will not be the one hiring the next football, no matter what he says. He can't be trusted . He'll be nothing more than the spokesperson for the process. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:15 pm to saturncube21
He’s getting blasted by many, but you have some like Chris Doering complimenting him for acting so quickly. The following AD at A&M needs to get some of the blame also for the Fisher buyout. He extended after only 2 years. Otherwise, the buyout would have been around $45 mil I think.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:18 pm to lsufball19
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Do you want me to lay out all the assistant hires at major schools that were complete busts? Since you want to look at history and all
Will Muschamp
Sylvester Croom
Zach Arnett
Jeff Lebby
Matt Luke
Ed Orgeron (at ole miss, also only lasted 4.5 years at LSU)
Charlie Weis
Sherrone Moore
Clay Helton
Dave Aranda
Mike Shula
Mike Dubose
Bill O'Brien
Brent Vanables
Jeremy Pruitt
Derek Dooley
Sam Pittman
Lots of bad jobs you included there.
Multiple Miss Sate coaches.
Ole Miss.
Some coaches with no college experience some who are arguably not busts-Sherrone Moore, Dave Arranda.
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AD's with money try to make the most risk-avers hire and try to marry that with a hire that has a high ceiling as well.
Funny. Oregon didn’t make the same risk averse hire.
Georgia didn’t.
Ohio State didn’t
Texas didn’t.
Notre Dame didn’t.
Your mentality is what causes us to spend $50 million to buyout a coach when it doesn’t work.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:28 pm to tigerfan5803
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they were never in conisderation at LSU
This is my friggin point.
If we had an open minded AD maybe we end up with one of those other guys. Maybe we end up with someone different and instead of $50 million in buyout we are spending $20million on a roster
When you close off and limit your search you end up having to pay massive money with massive buyouts and miss on superior talent.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:31 pm to saturncube21
A very legit question ??
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:34 pm to Adam Banks
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If we had an open minded AD
I can't tell if it's having an openly minded AD or openly minded boosters that's the problem.
My intuition suspects boosters play a big part in who the applicant pool is at the big schools. And then conveniently get to fire the guy (AD) that hired who they wanted without taking any responsibility, but maybe that isn't the case.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:35 pm to saturncube21
He should have been fired at the same time. If he brings in another over rated "big name" and gives them another bloated contract . . . well you know what happens when you do the same thing but expect a different result.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:38 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
Thank you.
The whole premise of BK leaving ND was he was Nick Saban v2.0 stuck in a South Bend cage who wanted to go somewhere he could win a natty before his career was over. That leaves about 10 schools in play. He was 60.
Schools on that list after '21 may have included Oregon, OU, USC. UF, and us. I don't recall who hired first. So let's assume SW was 100% convinced BK was the man. BK's age and motives would swing the leverage in our favor. No need to give him a deal that squeezed us like it did.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:40 pm to Adam Banks
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Funny. Oregon didn’t make the same risk averse hire.
Georgia didn’t.
Ohio State didn’t
Texas didn’t.
Notre Dame didn’t.
For debate sake, a few of these were in house hires of well respected coordinators that LSU didn't have in 2021. A Saban disciple in Smart. Etc.
Texas got burned like 3 times in a row on hires. They went retread and it worked. I'm not sure that one supports your argument. I mean, it definitely was risky in your defense, he has basically failed twice before because he couldn't stop boozing.
But I agree we should be open to up and comers.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:42 pm to tigerfan84
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Jay Johnson and Kim Mulkey
I’m sorry, but these are 2 sports that mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
He’s whiffed on the two hires that matter…football and men’s hoops.
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