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re: Why is there so much hate for Alleva?
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:19 pm to tuptiger
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:19 pm to tuptiger
Alleva could have easily fired Flory, Fargas and Lee after last season and only Fargas has rebounded with a winning record and potential postseason play ahead, but the program is a far cry from national caliber.
That's a lot of failing sports on his watch.
That's a lot of failing sports on his watch.
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:19 pm to tuptiger
Mrs. Alleva, go to bed.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:23 pm to The Belk
OP if you have to ask, it's already too late to turn on the lights for you.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:23 pm to tom
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O is probably the best fit for this job given his background
How the hell do you figure?
Is it because...
A. He talks like us
B. He walks like us
C. He wrestles gators like us
D. He's from here
If you answered any of the above, post less.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:39 pm to TXGunslinger10
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How the hell do you figure?
Is it because...
A. He talks like us
B. He walks like us
C. He wrestles gators like us
D. He's from here
If you answered any of the above, post less.
Amen
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:45 pm to tuptiger
O is low risk in that his buy out is reasonable but if he is sick than we suck and that well
Sucks.
Sucks.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:51 pm to tuptiger
My only beef with Alleva is not interviewing other candidates before hiring Orgeron. I would have loved to give Gundy a look to pair with Aranda's defense.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:03 am to BayouBengals03
Fair criticism
I'm willing to bet we did. Not much was out there this year. The one we missed on was Fuente but we would have had to have fired Miles in 2015. I would have been fine with that, but I don't think it was Alleva's call and I can't blame him for that. I wanted Miles gone in 2009ish. Someone came up with the idea to fire him, and I'm betting it was the booster crowd, and it was stopped by the admin.
I think Herman was our top target. Texas boosters get pissed UT hadn't fired Strong. Leak to media.
I didn't like the other options. My number 1 option was available after the NFL season ended, but that was too late. I wasn't a fan of Gundy, Fedora, and the like. I preferred Orgeron with a low buyout.
I'm willing to bet we did. Not much was out there this year. The one we missed on was Fuente but we would have had to have fired Miles in 2015. I would have been fine with that, but I don't think it was Alleva's call and I can't blame him for that. I wanted Miles gone in 2009ish. Someone came up with the idea to fire him, and I'm betting it was the booster crowd, and it was stopped by the admin.
I think Herman was our top target. Texas boosters get pissed UT hadn't fired Strong. Leak to media.
I didn't like the other options. My number 1 option was available after the NFL season ended, but that was too late. I wasn't a fan of Gundy, Fedora, and the like. I preferred Orgeron with a low buyout.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:05 am to tuptiger
He's actually one of the better ADs in college athletics. The tards here are just too simpletons to see beyond the basketball records. There's a lot more to being AD than most of our Simple Jacks can understand. His job is to raise money and improve facilities as much as it is to win football games(a job he has very little direct influence on). He's bungled some PR moves and comes off as a douche, but he does the job he's being paid for rather well. It's just the criteria his employers judge him on is significantly different than Joe Fan, most of whom can't forgive him for his mishandling of a very unfortunate--while wildly public--situation that happened years before he stepped foot on LSU's campus. And if we're honest with ourselves, in today's pc climate, he erred on really the only side he could have. But no matter to the insecure, small-penised Louisianans. We don't just want good coaches or ADs--that's an ancillary by-product. We want ones that are revered and envied by the masses. If Bubba from Bama isn't jealous, he's not good enough.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:30 am to Hot Carl
Seriously frick off.
He has NO PR skills.
beyond Duke (which should have relegated him to a high school AD position) he can't keep anything in house.
Miles firing at the end of 2015 was a shite show.
Hermam basically put us in our place. He fired miles in week 4 to do what? Give Orgeron a 6 week tryout?
Basketball sucks. We've had 2 shitty hires there. Women's basketball sucks.
His job is the run the athletic department not just raise money. Otherwise we should just cut him out and let the boosters pay for facilities and hire coaches he selves.
He has NO PR skills.
beyond Duke (which should have relegated him to a high school AD position) he can't keep anything in house.
Miles firing at the end of 2015 was a shite show.
Hermam basically put us in our place. He fired miles in week 4 to do what? Give Orgeron a 6 week tryout?
Basketball sucks. We've had 2 shitty hires there. Women's basketball sucks.
His job is the run the athletic department not just raise money. Otherwise we should just cut him out and let the boosters pay for facilities and hire coaches he selves.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:31 am to tuptiger
Chinhouang thinks you are retarded.
He arso downvoted the shite out of your post :ror:
He arso downvoted the shite out of your post :ror:
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:34 am to tuptiger
Alleva kept Les Miles solely because he beat Texas A&M. Therefore he should be fired.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:38 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Talk to Fedora. Talk to Fleck. Gundy, Kiffin. Interview whoever may be interested. Don't just walk away from the entire process. That's negligence. O would've still been there after all the interviews.
There wasn't much else out there.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 12:52 am
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:41 am to Hot Carl
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He's actually one of the better ADs in college athletics. The tards here are just too simpletons to see beyond the basketball records. There's a lot more to being AD than most of our Simple Jacks can understand. His job is to raise money and improve facilities as much as it is to win football games(a job he has very little direct influence on). He's bungled some PR moves and comes off as a douche, but he does the job he's being paid for rather well. It's just the criteria his employers judge him on is significantly different than Joe Fan, most of whom can't forgive him for his mishandling of a very unfortunate--while wildly public--situation that happened years before he stepped foot on LSU's campus. And if we're honest with ourselves, in today's pc climate, he erred on really the only side he could have. But no matter to the insecure, small-penised Louisianans. We don't just want good coaches or ADs--that's an ancillary by-product. We want ones that are revered and envied by the masses. If Bubba from Bama isn't jealous, he's not good enough.
Agree with most of what you said. The hate for Alleva on this board is so overblown. It's LSU. People just have to be bitching about something at all times. Alleva became an easy target after he "botched" the Miles thing at the end of 2015.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:42 am to TigersHeisman225
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Alleva kept Les Miles solely because he beat Texas A&M. Therefore he should be fired.
Oh look, exhibit A.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:47 am to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
Just turn your computer off, Carl
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:03 am to SammyTiger
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Seriously frick off.
I'm good
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He has NO PR skills.
They're there, but could be better no doubt
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beyond Duke
Nothing to do with LSU
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(which should have relegated him to a high school AD position)
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he can't keep anything in house.
What does this even mean?
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Miles firing at the end of 2015 was a shite show.
No doubt. Apparently he was stron-armed by his boss and the Governor of Louisiana. Not sure what he could have done better there.
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Hermam basically put us in our place
It was a bad look publicly, no doubt. I wanted Herman myself.
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He fired miles in week 4 to do what? Give Orgeron a 6 week tryout?
Firing Miles week 4 was a Joe swinging his big dick move after being made impotent at the end of '15. I hated the search--my biggest criticism of his entire tenure. But Orgeron may just turn out to have been the right hire. And instead of settling on him, maybe Joe really believed in O and gambled on him. A difference in perspective, perhaps.
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Basketball sucks. We've had 2 shitty hires there. Women's basketball sucks.
Trent Johnson was a homerun hire on paper. It was Joe's job to make sure that translated and it didn't, but at the time, it was pretty consensus he was the best we could get. He got strong-armed into hiring Johnny. Made him look weak. But it's another pretty big dick move to let Johnny, Collins, and Dale stew in their fricking embarrasssing misery as 500 folks show up to watch us get our asses handed to us by 30 for the 13th and 14th straight times.
As far as women, it's not Joe's fault Pokie had improper relationships. Caldwell was another homerun on paper. Great pedigree, good communicator, high energy, success at UCLA. There was no obvious better hire available at the time.
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His job is the run the athletic department not just raise money.
Raising money is a huge part of running the athletic apartment. Maybe the most important to his superiors. And he's done a great job of that, along with making a ton of improvements to several facilities. And our golf, gymnastics, and softball teams are the best they've ever beeen in university history.
I'm not saying I like him. I'm not saying we can't do better. I'm not even saying he's good. But idiots who think he's the worst AD in the SEC or even in the NCAA as a I've seen before, are retarded beyond fricking words. If he was that incompetent, he'd be out. But the smarter people than you or I who have a lot more riding on it, have deemed him fit for,the time being.
That said, if they shitcanned him tomorrow, I would be totally fine with it. And a I can't fricking believe you baited me into a 20-minute knighting for Joe fricking Alleva. Bastard.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:03 am to tuptiger
My only beef with Alleva was how the Miles situation was handled. Bad hires happen from all great athletic directors. it's just part of the business, so the trent johnson/johnny hires really don't bother me. plus the johnny hire was political
He's kept us out of trouble, built some fantastic facilities, and he's made some fantastic non-revenue hires. there's even a chance Fargas will turn it around.
His legacy will be defined by O, plain and simple. If O puts together an epic run, then that's what he'll be remembered for, and Alleva knows it.
I think the Duke deal is overblown. I love how trumpkins defend that media witch hunt but can't empathize for the duke chaos. he had little to no choice at the end of the day.
frankly I just think he's very average. I'm very open to the idea of him being replaced, but give me a better resume than Radacovich. Also he's the vice chancellor too, so the brass obviously finds him way smarter than the typical ranter. he did go to lehigh after all and played cfb, so he knows football well.
He's kept us out of trouble, built some fantastic facilities, and he's made some fantastic non-revenue hires. there's even a chance Fargas will turn it around.
His legacy will be defined by O, plain and simple. If O puts together an epic run, then that's what he'll be remembered for, and Alleva knows it.
I think the Duke deal is overblown. I love how trumpkins defend that media witch hunt but can't empathize for the duke chaos. he had little to no choice at the end of the day.
frankly I just think he's very average. I'm very open to the idea of him being replaced, but give me a better resume than Radacovich. Also he's the vice chancellor too, so the brass obviously finds him way smarter than the typical ranter. he did go to lehigh after all and played cfb, so he knows football well.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 2:05 am
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:14 am to tuptiger
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And O is probably the best fit for this job given his background. Very high upside. Seems low risk.
I keep seeing this posted on here.
Please explain how its the best fit to hire a 55 year old career position coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense, or program.
Somehow a coach that wouldnt get interviewed at vandy or kentucky is a good fit for one of the demanding jobs in cfb. It wonderful watching posters use mental gymnastics to make O a good hire.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 3:18 am
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:17 am to Hot Carl
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He's bungled EVERY PR moves
Thinking Alleva is a shite AD doesnt make you a simpleton. It means you live in reality.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 3:19 am
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