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re: Why is Media So Insistent That USC Won 2003 Championship
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:14 pm to Mr Gardocki
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:14 pm to Mr Gardocki
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The only thing that mattered was the BCS since it was the current Championship system signed on by all institutions making the AP irrelevant
I think the media decides for itself what it thinks matters or doesn't, and then publishes accordingly.
That so many on this board freak the frick out every time USC's AP title is mentioned, kind of shows that it matters as well.
I'm still not sure why people care so much about this issue.
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:19 pm to Scientific73
Josh Pate mentioned early 2000s USC and noted that they only won one BCS title. “The 2003 was an AP title”.
Main reason I hate USC. No other BCS Champion has an AP champ next to their name but us. Stupid.
Main reason I hate USC. No other BCS Champion has an AP champ next to their name but us. Stupid.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 6:59 pm to geauxtigers33
LSU won the national championship game = National Champs
USC won the rose bowl = rose bowl champs
USC won the rose bowl = rose bowl champs
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:27 pm to Mr Gardocki
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The only thing that mattered was the BCS
If that were really true, they would have had their own trophy and crowned their own champion. Instead, they made an agreement with the Coaches’ Poll to use their trophy and have the Coaches’ Poll declare the winner their champion. That was an implicit acknowledgment that the polls still mattered.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:32 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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I mean didn't that "title" get stripped from them as well?
Can the NCAA strip them of a title given to USC by the AP? NCAA recognizes LSU as National Champions that year because we won the BCS National Championship.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:33 pm to MikeTheTiger71
quote:Not that I agree with him about what matters but the BCS did have a trophy- it was a crystal ball.
If that were really true, they would have had their own trophy
Even a belt buckle can be a trophy.
Do you disagree?
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:47 pm to Scientific73
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Why is Media So Insistent That USC Won 2003 Championship
They're butthurt that one of their darlings LOST
The Media, especially Sports Media, want power and they want that above all else. They want people that are incredibly unqualified given a 'vote' on who is given what.
They hate 'settling it on the field' when they can just settle it on a note pad while drinking some weird arse beer
frick them, we're the only champion for 2003 and USC was just a side note
Posted on 7/28/23 at 8:38 pm to Scientific73
The media is so insistent because it was the AP title that was given to them…by the media.
I’m still pissed the Tigers didn’t play them. Would have been a helluva game. Not saying the one we played in wasn’t great, but really wanted that matchup.
I’m still pissed the Tigers didn’t play them. Would have been a helluva game. Not saying the one we played in wasn’t great, but really wanted that matchup.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 8:51 pm to Quatrepot
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Not that I agree with him about what matters but the BCS did have a trophy- it was a crystal ball. Even a belt buckle can be a trophy. Do you disagree?
The trophy was the Coaches’ Poll trophy that had been handed out since 1986. They still relied upon the poll to name the winner of the game their #1. If the polls really were obsolete as many are claiming, they wouldn’t have needed the Coaches’ Poll or their trophy.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:24 pm to nvasil1
He might be thinking of the 2003 celebration when a representative from the AP presented Saban with their Coach of the Year award. There was definitely a smattering of boos for tha
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:44 pm to Scientific73
What I hate most is the media loves to claim the title for Saban and all of his accomplishments but doesn’t recognize LSU as much.
I’m not trying to play victim but I’ve noticed it as time has passed. We got the crystal ball so eff em!!
I’m not trying to play victim but I’ve noticed it as time has passed. We got the crystal ball so eff em!!
Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:17 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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It really wasn’t a conspiracy. The AP thought USC was the better team before the bowls so there was no real reason for their opinion to change after the bowls. An even simpler explanation is that USC lost on September 27 while LSU lost on October 11. There was nothing unique about their relative standing being impacted by the timing of their losses. It’s standard poll “logic”.
I'm not saying there was necessarily a conspiracy or that some AP voters didn't really believe USC was the best team. However, the media already had misgivings about the BCS prior to the final standings in 2003. Given the controversies in 2000 and 2001, I do believe there were voters who were determined to go against the BCS when they had an opportunity to do so.
As the 2003 season went along, the BCS computer geeks were saying that the computers loved OU so much, a loss may not drop them, which ended up being true. The computers also didn't love USC as much, so they said the Trojans might need help to hang onto #2, which also ended up being true (thanks Boise).
In fact, Ohio State jumped USC in the BCS standings in late November after beating Purdue in OT, even though the AP had the Buckeyes at #4 (their only loss was October 11th, like LSU). That was the first instance I remember of the media complaining that the polls weren't weighted more than the computers, and low and behold, the formula was changed the next season to place far more importance on the human element.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:21 am to TackySweater
Please. Saban with a month to prepare against that ra ra cheating clown buffoon Carroll? That 03 defense was 85 Bearsish. USC wouldn’t know what hit em.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:26 am to FightingTigers7
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What I hate most is the media loves to claim the title for Saban and all of his accomplishments but doesn’t recognize LSU as much.
No they do not. LSU gets plenty of recognition for 2003.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:28 am to JCPegasus
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LSU won the national championship game = National Champs
LSU won’t the BCS national championship game and we’re the BCS national champions.
USC was voted by the AP poll and were the AP national champions.
There is nothing wrong with either one of these two things. I’m not sure why LSU fans are so upset about this.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:28 am to H-Town Tiger
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The better question is why after almost 20 years and 2 other championships are LSU fans so insecure about this?
Because LSU fans can never be happy
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:47 am to Scientific73
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Why is Media So Insistent That USC Won 2003 Championship
Could it be solely a southern bias?
LSU would have beat the shite outta them that year.
I've always viewed that talking point as being a knock against OU and/or the BCS process, rather than being a knock on what LSU accomplished. Nobody debated that LSU deserved to be in the BCSCG. It was always an OU or USC debate for who should have played in that BCSCG against LSU.
Before the final selection, USC was the consensus #1 in the human polls and LSU was the consensus #2. The major talking point leading up to the BCSCG, and then afterwards, was the Big12CG blowout and that OU didn't deserve to be there. The AP threw their "title" to USC as a knock against the BCS, not against LSU.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:05 am to nvasil1
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That was the first instance I remember of the media complaining that the polls weren't weighted more than the computers, and low and behold, the formula was changed the next season to place far more importance on the human element.
The AP poll was not part of the BCS formula after 2003 if you are suggesting that the”media” (as if it’s a single unified entity) was upset they weren’t as important. Historically “the media” or individuals in it favored a multi round playoff. SI had a piece in the mid 80s using the then 15 existing bowls as playoffs.
The original BCS formula was flawed and overly complicated. Aside from the computers and the pols they also had other formulas that kept adjusting or adding to it to correct for past “controversies. After the 2000 Miami Florida St controversy they added a “big wins” component that would have put Miami in in 2000. The trouble with a lot of this is it was repetitive. The SOS component that was included was already built into the computers and yea humans do factor it in their rankings.
I know many like to think SOS is some mathematical Pythagorean truth and the computer are some unbiased flawless AI but they are just models created by humans. And the computer formulas that were used were proprietary so we don’t even know what’s in them.
The post 2003 BCS formula was so much better. There would have been zero controversies. The 2004 (2003 season) Sugar Bowl would have been #1 USC vs #2 LSU and no one, not even “the media” would have complained.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:05 am to Scientific73
I've always found it hilarious that USC and the Media simply ignored the BCS in 2003, and acted like the AP poll was the official one. Even the USC Coach Pete Carroll said, after beating 4th ranked Michigan in the Rose Bowl - "I think we just won the national championship."
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, the next year, when USC WONNNNN the BCS National Championship, magically the AP mysteriously didn't count that year for them, and only the BCS mattered. It was magically lifted up as the official end-all be-all for 2004.
What fricking hypocrisy....
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, the next year, when USC WONNNNN the BCS National Championship, magically the AP mysteriously didn't count that year for them, and only the BCS mattered. It was magically lifted up as the official end-all be-all for 2004.
What fricking hypocrisy....
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:15 am to MetryTyger
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after beating 12th ranked Michigan in the Rose Bow
Michigan was #4 in the BCS and AP going into the Rose Bowl and finished 6th. But don’t let facts get in the way of your rambling insecurity
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