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re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?

Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:28 am to
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:28 am to
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Here's what we got: 9-3 and a trip to the Outback Bowl.


I hope
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:31 am to
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What did y'all get? Here's what we got: 9-3 and a trip to the Outback Bowl. 



So the Saints had a mediocre passing attack in 2008 since we didn't make the playoffs?

Dan Marino < Dilfer?

Stupid point
Posted by rockynoggin
Battun Roo-uj
Member since Sep 2012
240 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:57 am to
This is SEC football. Passing game? Next thing you know we'll have women players.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28067 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:29 am to
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I wouldn't describe our '13 O as "pedestrian" but it wasn't spectacular either. We were 3rd in the SECW in passing and 5th in the SECW in O (ypg)


We didnt pass really much at all compared to everybody else. We were more efficient though. Put ourselves in a hole, and came back and lost on the final play against Ole Miss. Went lead change for lead change against UGA, put up 4 TDs in the 4th against MSU on the road, ran off to a 28-7 lead against Auburn before they made it "look" respectable on the scoreboard.

We averaged over 400 yards on the road, and nearly 500 yards per game at home. We averaged 432 yards in conference play and 420 yards against ranked opponents.

Y'all are looking at this the wrong way. We were 7th in the country in yards per play. Which means we maximized every play. Bama was tied for fifth with .21 more and TAMU was 4th with .40 more.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:47 am to
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Y'all are looking at this the wrong way. We were 7th in the country in yards per play. Which means we maximized every play. Bama was tied for fifth with .21 more and TAMU was 4th with .40 more.


If I recall, the only games where we struggled to put up points were Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida. UF and Alabama had good defenses, and I believe turnovers/ball security really hurt us vs Alabama and Arkansas.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28067 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:09 am to
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Great college qb's are rare


Nope. Great college QBs are not rare. Neither are Heisman level QBs. Look how Trevone Boykin has changed after a switch in OC. Look at Connor Cook after battling with a nobody at the beginning of the season last year, to now. Look at redshirt freshman Anu Solomon at Arizona. Look what Mariota was able to do at Oregon as a redshirt frosh and now. Look what Hundley was able to do as a redshirt frosh and now. Look what Manziel did the first year in the SEC West as a redshirt frosh. Look what Kessler did as a first year starter redshirt soph with the Lane fiasco, look at him now. Look at redshirt frosh JT Barrett after learning that Braxton Miller would miss the entire year.

All these QBs are great college QBs. I only selected a few out of many, but all of these guys redshirted, all are playing in different systems, and all are looking good. As a matter of fact none of these guys played as true freshman. Cook nor Kessler played much at all as redshirts either. There are plenty of great college QBs. I believe if they allow Harris to play, he has the arm strength, and mobility, to become just as productive.

While I like Jennings, I've finally come to the realization, that we can't just wait on him to finally "get it". i mean i would love to see him play well, but Jennings had one thing over Harris, and that was a year in the system. We reside in the fast paced SEC West with UF as our permanent cross division opponent. I think now is the exact time to ease Harris in. Let him split with Jennings, leading up to a start in the bowl game. Even if he starts, open up the competition in the spring, even with the newcomer, and make them fight for the top spot. IMO, Harris was missing knowledge of the playbook, and in game experience. Get him some experience these last few games, and he will beat Jennings out with superior talent in the spring.

Everybody is whining, saying Harris should and will transfer. Everybody is saying that Miles won't start Harris until Jennings graduates, and calls bullshite on anybody who thinks different. We'll I think different on those accounts, and call bullshite as against those people. Unless Jennings turns into Superman, Harris will beat him in the Spring and Fall.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28067 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:26 am to
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UF and Alabama had good defenses, and I believe turnovers/ball security really hurt us vs Alabama and Arkansas.


Against UF, I'm pretty sure both Beckham and Landry where hampered by injuries. Mett was also badly off that game. There were open players everywhere. We attempted only 17 passes that game. The only other time we attempted less than 20 that year, was against Kent State.

Turnovers were the problem against Bama. drive down the field and Copeland fumbles at the one. We stop them and get the ball back, but bad QB/Center exchange gave them the ball at our 27. They didn't move much, but scored a FG. We then drive right down for a TD. Should have been 14-3 right there. Bama then took a 17-14 lead at the half. We gave up in the middles of the 3rd, and that was all she wrote. That was painful to watch.

We put up 31 points against Arky and 470 total yards (238 rush 232 pass). Mett had a problem with looking on to Beckham a lot last year. When Beckham was hampered, Mett looked less like an NFL, and more like a first year starter in college. This occurred against Arky as well.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
69544 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:26 am to
do you even last season
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:31 am to
Football Outsiders OFEI has LSU as the 5th overall offense in 2013, including the Iowa game without Mett,

Offensive FEI, the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's offense

LINK
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:32 am to
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Even some NFL vets have difficulty with it.


well then it is to complicated for the college level
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:39 am to
[quote]What better way to get offensive players NFL ready then a pro style offense? }quote}


they want a chance to display there skills. WR's and TE's want to receive the ball, RB's need to learn to catch the ball, OL need to learn to pass block. Those are the skills players are looking to develop the get ready for the pass happy league, the NFL.
Posted by plok
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2014
4 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:46 am to
We have been asking this question for the last 10 years, with the exception of Matt Flynn, who was a Saben recruit.
I don't know what the problem is but it is more than obvious to anyone with a brain that LSU QB has been poor for years. All the other pieces are in place - great defense and defense coordinator, good kicking game, good special teams, great running game. The only element missing is a competent QB, not necessarily a great one, just someone with smarts who can run the offense and pass effectively when needed. We could be in the hunt for a national champion every year but for one position. Every team that faces LSU knows that if you stop the run, you win.

THe buck stops with Miles. Until he changes his offensive strategy or leaves, LSU will not have another conference or national champion. It's as simple as that. Is he fundamentally incapable of changing, stubborn, or just doesn't really know what he is doing?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59202 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:19 am to
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From Moscona's show yesterday: 5 of the best 9 seasons in LSU history throwing the ball, statistically speaking, have been under Miles.


Dude...passing yardage stats etc have exploded all over the country in the last decade. Have you not been paying attention? That stat says nothing about Miles especially considering the around of NFL talent we've had on the team in the last decade compared to our history. Relatively speaking in relation to other teams, we suck at passing.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 7:20 am
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41959 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:25 am to
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That stat says nothing about Miles


No credit for 5 out of the top 9 passing offenses in school history.

Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
12446 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:25 am to
It is pretty sad that a team with a former defensive back at QB (Auburn) has a better passing attack than a team with a guy that's played QB his entire life
Posted by nm1230
Nashville, TN
Member since Oct 2011
698 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:37 am to
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Because with the exception of last year since 2008 les miles has refused to throw over the middle of the field. That's 1/3 of the field the defense essentially doesn't have to defend. It also appears to me the general philosophy is to give the qb one read and if it's not there take off.



This. Not only are we predictable by formation. The D only has to defend a small portion of the field and limited routes. And most of the time this comes in obvious passing situations. So there's never any guesswork on the D's part. This team is built to out physical people running the ball with no deception and when games are close and we aren't mauling the other team physically what happens?

Why does our identity of "a power running team" mean we have to be super predictable, basic, and inefficient in the passing game.

Converting a 3rd and 6 in this offense feels like recovering an onside kick.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:44 am to
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This. Not only are we predictable by formation.


This is a complaint of every fan of every team.

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This team is built to out physical people running the ball with no deception and when games are close


Like when we threw the ball 4x in overtime.

That 1st play was a perfect play call and wide open. The coaches can't catch the ball for the player

quote:

Why does our identity of "a power running team" mean we have to be super predictable, basic, and inefficient in the passing game.



It doesn't have to be: See last year

And we were pretty unpredictable against Bama. Threw the ball on 2nd and 3rd and shorts. Even had some 1st down throws. Its hard to dig yourself out of a 2nd and 10 with a defense like Bama's


Posted by yattan
Member since Nov 2013
897 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:03 am to
It is really comes down to the humidity in Tiger Stadium. The ball is heavier in TS, thus not reaching the intended targets as planned.
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
2518 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:37 am to
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Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?
see above
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59202 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:40 am to
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No credit for 5 out of the top 9 passing offenses in school history


Does Saban get credit as well?
Richt?
Sumlin?
Freeze?
Mullen?
Meyer?
Petrino?
Spurrier?
Mahlzan?
Chizick?
Patterson?

For shattering passing records over the last decade for their respective schools?

The list goes on and on and on.

Maybe, just maybe, there is something beyond the coaches that ties them all together. Don't think too hard trying to figure it out.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 8:43 am
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