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re: Why Do People Here Think Cecil Collins [Was] Better Than Jeremy Hill?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:16 pm to 3Miles
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:16 pm to 3Miles
Cecil played 7 college games, all kinds of baggage and SB coach jimmy Johnson still drafted him in fifth round lol. In a month he was already the starting back in Miami
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:43 pm to tiger in the gump
Full beast...
Speaking of beast, I'm not looking forward to playing that gigantism freshman gump motherfricker.
Speaking of beast, I'm not looking forward to playing that gigantism freshman gump motherfricker.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:50 pm to AlaTiger
The reason why is bc people have been saying Hill is a better LSU rb than Faulk. And their main point is WHAT IF Hill played 4 years, didnt share time, etc.
Which is fine to discuss. But once you start comparing rbs and saying "what if" Collins immediately jumps to the top of list.
Imo, Hill is in the middle of his career as far as performance and potential. Faulk is the best rb I've seen based on performance and Collins is the best rb I've seen on potential. Hill is not at the top at either...yet
Which is fine to discuss. But once you start comparing rbs and saying "what if" Collins immediately jumps to the top of list.
Imo, Hill is in the middle of his career as far as performance and potential. Faulk is the best rb I've seen based on performance and Collins is the best rb I've seen on potential. Hill is not at the top at either...yet
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:53 pm to SoulGlo
never saw a better back in 3 short games than Cecil 'the diesel' Collins. Completely took over and dominated those games. Was an unstoppable force. Jim Brown, Adrian Peterson, and Bo Jackson had nothing on him. Was never the same after devasting leg injury and legal troubles.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 4:01 pm to boxcar willie
Coulda been the greatest Fins RB! Many Dolphins old timers say the same.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 4:15 pm to AlaTiger
I will always remember ESPN's Ron Franklin's comment about Collins:
" For 3 games I have seen the best college running back since Hershel Walker"
I can't disagree.
All the big awards were in his grasp - Heisman Trophy, All Pro, HOFs at all levels.
What could have been for him...
" For 3 games I have seen the best college running back since Hershel Walker"
I can't disagree.
All the big awards were in his grasp - Heisman Trophy, All Pro, HOFs at all levels.
What could have been for him...
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:52 pm to ElderTiger
If hill had that same front and blocking scheme that Collins had, he would have comparable stats.
Savoie, McClure, Faneca, Williams, Langley, Lafleur, Banks... We played with a different run attitude then.
Savoie, McClure, Faneca, Williams, Langley, Lafleur, Banks... We played with a different run attitude then.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:59 pm to AlaTiger
Hill is freaking awesome and no one should sell him short when it comes to the potential to succeed at a high level in the NFL.
Collins was freakishly good and remains the ultimate "what might have been?" in recent LSU history. That's about as nice as I can say I think Collins might have been better if he could have stayed out of trouble.
Collins was freakishly good and remains the ultimate "what might have been?" in recent LSU history. That's about as nice as I can say I think Collins might have been better if he could have stayed out of trouble.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:19 am to Katy Tiger
quote:
Rewatch the Cecil videos. The '97 OL was better than anything we have had in a long time. Faneca was perhaps the best OL ever at LSU. Put Hill behind that line with a run happy scheme like they had and he easily gets 1600-1800 yards.
Hill finishes long runs. Cecil often didn't.
Faneca was the best O-lineman I ever saw at LSU. But with that said, when you watched Cecil, he ran through people after hitting the hole.
Cecil's lowest ypc average for a game in the three full games he played was 7.8 yards. So he didn't have many short runs. But he did step out of bounds against State after running 60 yards with one shoe on.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:15 am to AlaTiger
quote:
I watched Cecil Collins' highlights a few months ago and he was great, but he was stopped, too. He only played 3 games. What makes him better than Hill?
I do not see it
He wasn't better than Hill and Hills LSU career numbers prove it. Hill has more carries, rushing yards, total yards and TD's than Collins simple as that. Debate is over Hill is the better LSU running back.
Now what you can debate and speculate on is if Collins wasn't a complete degenerate and actually completed his college football career at LSU who would have been the better running back? But that is just pure speculation. But the fact of the matter is HIll is the better LSU running back.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:53 am to AlaTiger
What Collins did in VS Auburn, '97 in a losing effort was something to watch.
That has to be the single most explosive performance by a LSU RB EVER.
I still shake my head over that IDIOT and what could have been....
That has to be the single most explosive performance by a LSU RB EVER.
I still shake my head over that IDIOT and what could have been....
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:14 am to oleheat
Collins, 27 carries, 232 yards, two touchdowns, long: 48 yards, 8.6 yards per carry against Auburn
Hill, 28 carries, 216 yards, two touchdowns, long: 42 yards, 7.7 yards per carry against 7th ranked Iowa D with a fledgling QB for LSU.
I'm not saying Hill is better, but strictly looking at results Hill stacks up pretty darn well. I also think his best football is ahead of him. Last season they had to coach the Hill leap out of him so he would churn his legs and he doesn't do that now. This guy has a huge ceiling. Best blend of power and speed I've seen in a long time. 6-2 235 and runs away from players in the open field.
Hill, 28 carries, 216 yards, two touchdowns, long: 42 yards, 7.7 yards per carry against 7th ranked Iowa D with a fledgling QB for LSU.
I'm not saying Hill is better, but strictly looking at results Hill stacks up pretty darn well. I also think his best football is ahead of him. Last season they had to coach the Hill leap out of him so he would churn his legs and he doesn't do that now. This guy has a huge ceiling. Best blend of power and speed I've seen in a long time. 6-2 235 and runs away from players in the open field.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:53 am to AlaTiger
quote:
Why Do People Here Think Cecil Collins [Was] Better Than Jeremy Hill?
You'd had to have been there.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:15 am to Godfather1
quote:
You'd had to have been there
I was. Collins could have been a great back if it wasn't "as one poster put it" and IDIOT. But unfortunately for Collins we will never know we can only speculate.
Things happen for a reason and the last thing LSU needs or the world for that matter is another spoiled rich athlete that thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want and get away with it and hurt someone. Collins definitely had that in him, as his current incarceration proves.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:22 am to Keeping it Realz
My gold standard for college RBs is Herschel Walker.
For 4 games before he broke his leg, Cecil Collins was the best college RB with the ball under his arm that I had seen since Herschel Walker.
Since, unfortunately, we can't extrapolate those 4 games over the span of a whole career, as you said, all we can do is speculate.
But those 4 games were enough of a sample size to see that the talent was there. And it was something special. Too bad he was a total imbecile.
For 4 games before he broke his leg, Cecil Collins was the best college RB with the ball under his arm that I had seen since Herschel Walker.
Since, unfortunately, we can't extrapolate those 4 games over the span of a whole career, as you said, all we can do is speculate.
But those 4 games were enough of a sample size to see that the talent was there. And it was something special. Too bad he was a total imbecile.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:38 am to BayouCowboy
quote:
Collins, 27 carries, 232 yards, two touchdowns, long: 48 yards, 8.6 yards per carry against Auburn
Hill, 28 carries, 216 yards, two touchdowns, long: 42 yards, 7.7 yards per carry against 7th ranked Iowa D
Iowa gave up an average of 128.4 rushing yards a game this year
In 1997, Auburn gave up 114.2 rushing yards a game.
Let's look at this another way.
Collins rushed for 583 yards in those 3 games, with an average of 8.5 yards per carry.
Here are the 3 highest rushing totals from Hill's 2 year LSU career:
216 yards, (vs Iowa)
184 yards, (vs Auburn)
157 yards, (vs Mississippi State)
557 yards total, (8.1 YPC)
So cherry picking taking the 3 best games from Hill's career doesnt match those 3 consecutive games of Collins
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:50 am to SPEEDY
Collins ran with an explosive violence that is very rare; Earl Campbell and Walter Payton are a couple of names that come to mind. He had absolutely no fear with the ball in his hands. If you got in his way, he was going to try and truck you. Ridiculously powerful.
As good as Hill is, he doesn't run like that. Which, for the sake of longevity of career, is probably a good thing.
As good as Hill is, he doesn't run like that. Which, for the sake of longevity of career, is probably a good thing.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:30 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
Iowa gave up an average of 128.4 rushing yards a game this year
In 1997, Auburn gave up 114.2 rushing yards a game.
Let's look at this another way.
Collins rushed for 583 yards in those 3 games, with an average of 8.5 yards per carry.
Here are the 3 highest rushing totals from Hill's 2 year LSU career:
216 yards, (vs Iowa)
184 yards, (vs Auburn)
157 yards, (vs Mississippi State)
557 yards total, (8.1 YPC)
So cherry picking taking the 3 best games from Hill's career doesnt match those 3 consecutive games of Collins
Well you omitted the part about about a new QB as well as the part where I said I wasn't saying Hill was better. I chose those games because many point to that game as the best ever by an LSU back. I was simply adding a comparison. It could also be noted that LSU racked up 492 yards against Auburn. Hill had all but 88 yards of the LSU offense in the Iowa game. Iowa really only had to account for Hill.
We'll never know what Collins' body of work would have been. It's pure speculation. He could be the best ever or gotten beat down over time like a lot of bruisers do.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 11:48 am to BayouCowboy
Ill make this easy...
Collins was the most talented RB to play for LSU that i have ever seen. But that doesnt mean he was the best. Suspended, played 4 games then broke his leg, then was arrested 2 times and kicked off.
I cant sit here and say he was the best RB ever at LSU. Due to the fact he played less than half a season here. But i can say he was the most talented RB that i have ever seen here.
I signed up just to repeat this. Collins is probably the most talented RB I've ever watched. But because he was an idiot, he can never be the best.
Collins was the most talented RB to play for LSU that i have ever seen. But that doesnt mean he was the best. Suspended, played 4 games then broke his leg, then was arrested 2 times and kicked off.
I cant sit here and say he was the best RB ever at LSU. Due to the fact he played less than half a season here. But i can say he was the most talented RB that i have ever seen here.
I signed up just to repeat this. Collins is probably the most talented RB I've ever watched. But because he was an idiot, he can never be the best.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:02 pm to gene_parmesan
The better question is rank these 3 LSU rbs. Faulk, Hill, collins.
Depending on your criteria (performance or potential) the only 2 acceptable answers are
Faulk
Hill
Collins ...or
Collins
Hill
Faulk
Depending on your criteria (performance or potential) the only 2 acceptable answers are
Faulk
Hill
Collins ...or
Collins
Hill
Faulk
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