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Why do LSU batters almost never swing at the first pitch?
Posted on 2/27/12 at 6:34 am
Posted on 2/27/12 at 6:34 am
Maybe it doesn't happen as often as I think but it sure seems like our batters take the first pitch almost every single time and more times than not they end up down in the count. Then they start chasing pitches that are nowhere near the strike zone.
Is this the approach given to them by Sanchez?
I'm certainly no baseball expert. Is this common?
Is this the approach given to them by Sanchez?
I'm certainly no baseball expert. Is this common?
This post was edited on 2/27/12 at 6:45 am
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Posted on 2/27/12 at 6:59 am to Hat Tricks
Hard to know where their approach comes from without being their for the conversation between player and coach but this is common. Every hitter is different and baseball is very situational so why or when changes but a lot of batter just like to see some pitches from pitchers and work the count.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:03 am to Mr Gardoki
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Every hitter is different and baseball is very situational so why or when changes but a lot of batter just like to see some pitches from pitchers and work the count.
Completely understand that and I certainly understand the value of seeing a few pitches.
However, it seems like almost every one of our batters take this approach.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:32 am to Hat Tricks
You get to see a pitch when you swing at it, too. That whole "get to see a pitch" approach doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. That's a count when the pitcher is usually trying to put one in the zone.
Okay, so you saw his fastball. How does that help you hit a curveball down 0-1? Maybe if the pitcher is erratic, but if he's putting pitches in the zone on the first pitch, you need to try swinging once in a while.
Okay, so you saw his fastball. How does that help you hit a curveball down 0-1? Maybe if the pitcher is erratic, but if he's putting pitches in the zone on the first pitch, you need to try swinging once in a while.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:34 am to Hat Tricks
i know what you're saying, and i tend to agree....but my dad i watched a game last year saying the exact same thing. when we watched the next game, we paid specific attention to this and it didn't happen as often as we thought. as the above poster said, batters like to see pitches for timing, etc...and a lot of it is situational. but we do tend to fall behind in the count often because of this.
eta: some of it might be because of tape they may have watched and a pitchers first pitch may not be the pitch that batter likes..(offspeed over fastball).
eta: some of it might be because of tape they may have watched and a pitchers first pitch may not be the pitch that batter likes..(offspeed over fastball).
This post was edited on 2/27/12 at 7:36 am
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:36 am to Hat Tricks
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Maybe it doesn't happen as often as I think but it sure seems like our batters take the first pitch almost every single time and more times than not they end up down in the count. Then they start chasing pitches that are nowhere near the strike zone.
This is nothing new. They've been doing it for at least 3 years.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:47 am to Mr Gardoki
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Every hitter is different and baseball is very situational so why or when changes but a lot of batter just like to see some pitches from pitchers and work the count.
gotta be willing to hack at the first pitch a few times in a game. Otherwise, the other team is just gonna pump one right down the pipe and start ahead in the count every time.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:48 am to caliegeaux
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eta: some of it might be because of tape they may have watched and a pitchers first pitch may not be the pitch that batter likes..(offspeed over fastball).
But then opposing teams see we take and throw first pitch "get ahead of the count" fastballs.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:54 am to Moustache
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gotta be willing to hack at the first pitch a few times in a game. Otherwise, the other team is just gonna pump one right down the pipe and start ahead in the count every time.
It can get aggravating to watch them look at a perfect pitch right down the middle then swing at something at eye level or in the dirt. Like I said, it's nothing new. They've been doing it for a few years. Hopefully they'll get the bats going for later in the season.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:58 am to Topwater Trout
I agree with Moustache, need to hack at the first one if it is there. Sometimes that's the best pitch you'll see in the at-bat, especially if they continually are falling behind in the count.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 7:59 am to Hat Tricks
Cuz the coach tells them to take the first pitch
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:00 am to GoldenHebert
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need to hack at the first one if it is there
I would rather have an agressive approach than a passive one.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:03 am to Topwater Trout
I agree 100% with the aggressive approach, esp early in the year.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:08 am to GoldenHebert
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I agree 100% with the aggressive approach, esp early in the year.
Good hitters can be passive or selective. Bad hitters need to go up there with a mindset that they are going to be swinging.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:11 am to Topwater Trout
Um, I dont know if yall watched the game yesterday, but we were swinging at a lot of first pitches. Thats one of the reasons why the innings were going so damn fast.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:16 am to LSU=Champions
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I dont know if yall watched the game yesterday
Nope.
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we were swinging at a lot of first pitches
So we just suck at hitting. Great!
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:26 am to Topwater Trout
There's 3 ways to get a starting pitcher out of a game.
A. Hit the damn ball
B. Take some pitches, work the count and get his pitch count up
C. Nail him in the face with a line drive.
Lets see, we can't do A or C...and we tried to do B, but when an umpire is giving a breaking ball pitcher 6 inches off the outside black, that's pretty tough.
A. Hit the damn ball
B. Take some pitches, work the count and get his pitch count up
C. Nail him in the face with a line drive.
Lets see, we can't do A or C...and we tried to do B, but when an umpire is giving a breaking ball pitcher 6 inches off the outside black, that's pretty tough.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:33 am to Hat Tricks
1st pitch swinging is not a big deal...taking called 3rd strike would be a big deal.
A batter is in kinda of a comfort zone till he gets that 2nd strike.
Often, a batter might be looking for a certain pitch or certain location on the 1st pitch.
If this is still going on in a month, we got a problem.
A batter is in kinda of a comfort zone till he gets that 2nd strike.
Often, a batter might be looking for a certain pitch or certain location on the 1st pitch.
If this is still going on in a month, we got a problem.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 8:33 am to TXGunslinger10
I didn't play on the college level but as an ex pitcher I would have much rather played against a team that had the bat on their shoulders. I could throw BP fastballs for strikes and get ahead without using much effort. Teams that were aggressive made me much more conscious of not throwing anything meaty up there which in turn made for a more stressful outing.
As for the umpire calling strikes 6" off the plate I think sometimes umps give a pticher more of the plate when hitters aren't aggressive.
As for the umpire calling strikes 6" off the plate I think sometimes umps give a pticher more of the plate when hitters aren't aggressive.
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:46 am to Mr Gardoki
it seems like we take a lot of pitches in the zone (and have for a few years now) in clutch situations, when we should be aggressive. When we are down by 7 runs in the 8th, we start swinging at the first pitch when we should be working the count. How many 4 pitch strike outs and 2 pitch ground outs did we have late in the game yesterday??
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