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re: Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:08 am to King Mello
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:08 am to King Mello
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regardless of if he looked ready or not he looked FAR more equipped to handle this offense than Lee and will be the better option moving forward
you do realize you are basing this off of a game and a half, and in those 2 games LSU is 0-2, and Jefferson comp % is less than 50% and his full game was against the worst defense in the SEC
After Lee's first game and a half against SEC opponants LSU was 2-0 and his stats were better, ALOT better, and his 2 opponants were when LSU had alot ore pressure on the road against a team ranked inside of the top 10, then at home against Miss State when LSU was ranked in the top 10.
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:08 am to LSUfan4444
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in what area?
anything was an improvement than what we had....his awareness on the field is a shite load better than lee's...and at least he isnt chicken shite to take a hit, much like lee is
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:10 am to LSURYAN
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Because Miles has a damn seniority complex...if he wasnt ready, that was their fault....do they not know how to gauge talent?? How did Hatch have a higher spot on the depth chart than Jefferson??
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That's what bothers me most about Miles (besides the back pats). It actually scares me. I think this is a microcosm of what is happening with each aspect of the team and the dynamics.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:10 am to LSURYAN
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Its the coaches job to evaluate talent and if they cant see that JJ has more talent than the other two, they both need to be replaced.
I think it was Charles Scott that said it...
"talent doesn't mean shite if you don't know what you're doing."
Are the coaches supposed to perform brain surgery on Jefferson for him to understand SEC defenses or running the offense better a little more quickly? How do you "make someone learn quicker?" When you teach, it's up to the student to learn and how quickly the learn it.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:10 am to LSURYAN
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if they cant see that JJ has more talent than the other two, they both need to be replaced.
what exactly are you basing that off of? JJ's overal accuracy problems, his lack of throwing a nice deep ball, his delayed delivery or the fact that he hangs on to the ball too long?
Not saying JJ won't turn out to be a better project overall, but those who think somehow it is cut and dry, and they have "seen the light" with JJ are full of shite.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:11 am to LSURYAN
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anything was an improvement than what we had....his awareness on the field is a shite load better than lee's..
oh you mean when he took off running WAY too soon the entire game Friday?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:12 am to Prominentwon
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Are the coaches supposed to perform brain surgery on Jefferson for him to understand SEC defenses or running the offense better a little more quickly? How do you "make someone learn quicker?" When you teach, it's up to the student to learn and how quickly the learn it.
are you a fricking idiot?? its not that hard to understand...they DIDNT spend the time teaching him shite because they threw him behind hatch and lee because he was a "true freshmen" Good Lord, if you think Lee or Hatch is better than JJ you need your head examined
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:12 am to LSURYAN
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anything was an improvement than what we had
i agree....0-2 is much better than 2-0
but i know, it isn't JJ's fault...the only losses that are the qb's fault are the losses when Lee played qb
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....his awareness on the field is a shite load better
is that why he takes forever to deliver the ball?
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at least he isnt chicken shite to take a hit, much like lee is
are you serious?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:12 am to LSURYAN
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Its the coaches job to evaluate talent and if they cant see that JJ has more talent than the other two, they both need to be replaced.
Ryan Perriloux had great talent. I think coach saw that.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:12 am to Skillet
I don't post often, just read and laugh, usually. But come on people! Seriously?
You people have no idea what it takes to coach an elite SEC nationally recognized team (I don't either) and yet you want to question whether or not, and doubt our coaches, that a TRUE FRESHMAN, who should have been redshirted, who didn't NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY to learn an expansive and intricate playbook, learn progressions, learn checks, etc., should have been starting? HE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY to run 7 on 7 drills nor run with the ones OR twos, how was he supposed to learn what other QBs take quite a while to learn?
There's a reason Jefferson was not planned on. And it's not because the coaches are idiots.
He was being redshirted. He was not supposed to be used this year. YOU CAN'T GET ALL 120 PLAYERS GAME READY. Heck, even Jarrett Lee wasn't supposed to see the field for another 2 years!
Come on! JJ turned out to be a gamer with a lot of upside! He's OBVIOUSLY STILL RAW. He's also going to be better than Lee or Hatch but remember... it was Hatch who was supposed to the the QB this year with Lee spelling him. The coaches knew Lee couldn't do it all. The coaches had no choice.
You people have no idea what it takes to coach an elite SEC nationally recognized team (I don't either) and yet you want to question whether or not, and doubt our coaches, that a TRUE FRESHMAN, who should have been redshirted, who didn't NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY to learn an expansive and intricate playbook, learn progressions, learn checks, etc., should have been starting? HE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY to run 7 on 7 drills nor run with the ones OR twos, how was he supposed to learn what other QBs take quite a while to learn?
There's a reason Jefferson was not planned on. And it's not because the coaches are idiots.
He was being redshirted. He was not supposed to be used this year. YOU CAN'T GET ALL 120 PLAYERS GAME READY. Heck, even Jarrett Lee wasn't supposed to see the field for another 2 years!
Come on! JJ turned out to be a gamer with a lot of upside! He's OBVIOUSLY STILL RAW. He's also going to be better than Lee or Hatch but remember... it was Hatch who was supposed to the the QB this year with Lee spelling him. The coaches knew Lee couldn't do it all. The coaches had no choice.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:14 am to LSURYAN
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they DIDNT spend the time teaching him shite because they threw him behind hatch and lee because he was a "true freshmen"
you mean they made a true freshman QB who arrived in the fall the 3rd string QB behind guys who'd already been here and shown some grasp of the offense? this coaching staff is worse than I thought
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:16 am to LSUfan4444
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you do realize you are basing this off of a game and a half, and in those 2 games LSU is 0-2, and Jefferson comp % is less than 50% and his full game was against the worst defense in the SEC
After Lee's first game and a half against SEC opponants LSU was 2-0 and his stats were better, ALOT better, and his 2 opponants were when LSU had alot ore pressure on the road against a team ranked inside of the top 10, then at home against Miss State when LSU was ranked in the top 10.
All of this would be significant if the rest of the team was static, but it clearly wasn't.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:17 am to LSURYAN
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\.they DIDNT spend the time teaching him shite because they threw him behind hatch and lee because he was a "true freshmen"
so why did they throw him behind the two when he came in for Fall camp? Answer me that. ....try to come up with something better "he was just better! Look what he did in High school!"
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Good Lord, if you think Lee or Hatch is better than JJ you need your head examined
So you're saying that JJ, coming in as a true freshman, had a leg up on both Lee and Hatch? Two QB's that went through spring practice. One that had a little bit of playing time last year?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:17 am to LSUfan4444
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but i know, it isn't JJ's fault...the only losses that are the qb's fault are the losses when Lee played qb
Coincidentally, the only losses where the QB spotted the other team 7+ points have been the losses where Jarrett Lee was quarterback.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:18 am to ATLTiger
patrick peterson hasn't had any problems coming in as a true freshman and beating out more experienced players ahead ofhim on the depth chart
the majority of the coaches decisions are based off of practices, and none of us see those soif youthink somehow you have a "handle" on the qb situation, you are sorely, sorely mistaken
the majority of the coaches decisions are based off of practices, and none of us see those soif youthink somehow you have a "handle" on the qb situation, you are sorely, sorely mistaken
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:21 am to Hideo Nomo
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All of this would be significant
none of it is significant because it hurts the argument for those people who somehow think JJ has proven more than Lee, other than that it is quite relevant
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:28 am to LSUfan4444
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patrick peterson hasn't had any problems coming in as a true freshman and beating out more experienced players ahead ofhim on the depth chart
doing that as a CB vs. as a QB is just a tad different, don't you think?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:28 am to Prominentwon
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he was just better! Look what he did in High school!"
Yeah, every clip I've seen of him from highschool is 90% running. He has great mechanics, strong arm and all of that, but his first instinct is to run and that won't get him much more than injured until he learns when to run, and when to throw it away. He does look good, but I wouldn't be so silly as to say, "He's been ready all along," or even that he is "ready" now.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:29 am to Skillet
Come on!!Think about it!! They did the same thing to Matt Flynn, Perrilloux, and now Jefferson. They always wait until 2 minutes is left in the game to see what they can do. Dumb!!We need a Quarterback coach. Why didn't Crowton put in him to "groom" him in games when we were way ahead so that he could have experience playing before 92,000 people; also be prepared in case of injuries. Jefferson is a natural talent. He should be our QB in any Bowl game. No question!! Hope its not Nebraska; we'll be embrassed again.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:29 am to LSUfan4444
You guys should really consider the fact that JJ was facing a defense that was rated BEHIND LSUs!!!! And, he went 9 for 21.
I'm VERY unhappy with Miles this year. I think he stunk up the joint. That said; pretty much ANY coach who thought the backup was showing ANYTHING in practice would've given him a shot with Lee struggling as he was.
Clearly, JJ was extremely shaky in practice and let's face it, we really haven't seen anything definitive in a game to indicate thinking he wasn't ready was an absurd line of thinking.
For the comparable 1st outing numbers, you'll not that Lee was 11-22 against an AU defense rated about 45 spots ahead of Arky's defense and he was 18-27 against Miss St defense rated about 22 spots above Arky's.
There's nothing to really say that JJ wouldn't have blown arse against the best teams on our schedule and gotten his confidence shaken too.
I'm VERY unhappy with Miles this year. I think he stunk up the joint. That said; pretty much ANY coach who thought the backup was showing ANYTHING in practice would've given him a shot with Lee struggling as he was.
Clearly, JJ was extremely shaky in practice and let's face it, we really haven't seen anything definitive in a game to indicate thinking he wasn't ready was an absurd line of thinking.
For the comparable 1st outing numbers, you'll not that Lee was 11-22 against an AU defense rated about 45 spots ahead of Arky's defense and he was 18-27 against Miss St defense rated about 22 spots above Arky's.
There's nothing to really say that JJ wouldn't have blown arse against the best teams on our schedule and gotten his confidence shaken too.
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