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re: Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:27 pm to BT
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:27 pm to BT
Throw out the fact that we had a 16 point lead against Arky and Crowton switched to his ultra conservative offense. Not to mention the dropped passes by our receivers(yes i know they dropped them for Lee also).
Only advantage?? How about the ability to be mobile in the pocket(not running but moving away from pressure)and the ability to know when to take a sack and when to throw the ball away...2 things that Lee hasn't done in 8 games.
Yes JL can throw the long ball...but so can JJ...point proven in the Ole Miss game when he threw the 60 yarder on his first play. JL can put touch like in the Bama game but JJ did it in the Arky game. The one blaring fact is that JJ didn't turn the ball over time after time. He didn't put our defense behind the eightball and didn't force our team to come from behind. We had a 16 point lead in the Arky game and our defense made bonehead plays that cost us the game.
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no he is not. JJ can run. That is the only advtg he has over JL.
Only advantage?? How about the ability to be mobile in the pocket(not running but moving away from pressure)and the ability to know when to take a sack and when to throw the ball away...2 things that Lee hasn't done in 8 games.
Yes JL can throw the long ball...but so can JJ...point proven in the Ole Miss game when he threw the 60 yarder on his first play. JL can put touch like in the Bama game but JJ did it in the Arky game. The one blaring fact is that JJ didn't turn the ball over time after time. He didn't put our defense behind the eightball and didn't force our team to come from behind. We had a 16 point lead in the Arky game and our defense made bonehead plays that cost us the game.
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:28 pm to BT
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no he is not. JJ can run. That is the only advtg he has over JL.
he looked better throwing than jlee, he stepped into his throws and just as accurate if not more than lee with a better arm. He looked much more poise and in control than lee, seemed to see the field better, made better decisions(when to run, when to throw it away) and add in the fact that he is a true freshman. Jlee is the one that looks more like a true freshman, nerves, decision making, confidence, etc.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:30 pm to Mmorsey
BT= blind jlee supporter/cheerleader
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:39 pm to Mmorsey
he did not look better throwing the ball than JL. I rewatched the ark game and JJ threw the ball over the middle of the field 3 times. thats right 3.
90% or more of JL ints this season came when he threw the ball over the middle.... and for a new qb that is where most of your problems occur.,, having to read defenses and account for safties.
Is it good coaching that for ark game LM and GC decided to help JJ out and not make him have to make those descisons.???? probably so.. JL was not given the same situation against tougher competition, so yeah at times he struggled.
But for you people to believe that the INTS aren't correctable..it just shows stupid or how much of a "cheerleader" some of you are.
90% or more of JL ints this season came when he threw the ball over the middle.... and for a new qb that is where most of your problems occur.,, having to read defenses and account for safties.
Is it good coaching that for ark game LM and GC decided to help JJ out and not make him have to make those descisons.???? probably so.. JL was not given the same situation against tougher competition, so yeah at times he struggled.
But for you people to believe that the INTS aren't correctable..it just shows stupid or how much of a "cheerleader" some of you are.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:41 pm to bayoutiggah
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Only advantage?? How about the ability to be mobile in the pocket(not running but moving away from pressure)and the ability to know when to take a sack and when to throw the ball away...2 things that Lee hasn't done in 8 games.
Yes JL can throw the long ball...but so can JJ...point proven in the Ole Miss game when he threw the 60 yarder on his first play. JL can put touch like in the Bama game but JJ did it in the Arky game. The one blaring fact is that JJ didn't turn the ball over time after time. He didn't put our defense behind the eightball and didn't force our team to come from behind. We had a 16 point lead in the Arky game and our defense made bonehead plays that cost us the game.
good post.
but there is no convincing any of these yahoo's.
they have chosen the great white hope.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:42 pm to BT
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90% or more of JL ints this season came when he threw the ball over the middle.... and for a new qb that is where most of your problems occur.,, having to read defenses and account for safties.
The pick six vs.Florida was both in the flats
The pick six vs.Georgia was in the flat
So was Tulane and i also believe the Troy pick was in the flat.
The Ole Miss should've been pick six was in the flat also
and he threw multiple picks to linebackers...i.e.Brandon Spikes for Florida and the Linebacker for Georgia
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:47 pm to bayoutiggah
ok..let me re-phrase this for you...when you throw the ball to the sideline or a "go" route, it greatly reduces the chance of an INT b/c its 99% of the time single man covg.
ok .... just b/c you throw the ball in the flat doesnt mean its going to be wide open..UGA was picked of by a line backer right between left hash and midfield...same thing as throwing over middle, as was most of all examples you gave.
ok .... just b/c you throw the ball in the flat doesnt mean its going to be wide open..UGA was picked of by a line backer right between left hash and midfield...same thing as throwing over middle, as was most of all examples you gave.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:48 pm to BT
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Is it good coaching that for ark game LM and GC decided to help JJ out and not make him have to make those descisons.???? probably so.. JL was not given the same situation against tougher competition, so yeah at times he struggled.
JL forced Miles and Crowton to play aggressive due to his turnovers. Crowton thought he could play it safe with a 16 point lead...
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:49 pm to TheDoc
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they have chosen the great white hope.
you are the only person i know that talks about this qb situation that constantly feels the need to throw race into it... God I hate you.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:52 pm to BT
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ok .... just b/c you throw the ball in the flat doesnt mean its going to be wide open..UGA was picked of by a line backer right between left hash and midfield...same thing as throwing over middle, as was most of all examples you gave.
so you want a QB that makes the same repeated mistakes over and over?
Both the UGA pick and the UF picks were bullets that if floated or if the pass would've had any type of the touch that you JL proponents claim he has or if JL would've looked at any other receiver on the field....the picks wouldn't have been thrown...JL looks at his receiver in the huddle and never took his eyes off of him...
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:56 pm to bayoutiggah
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JL forced Miles and Crowton to play aggressive due to his turnovers. Crowton thought he could play it safe with a 16 point lead..
this is why this board cracks me up...according to many LM was calling plays in 2nd half, I find it hilarious how people rationalize their opinions of these two qbs... You do realize all this glorification of JJ comes after 6 quarters of play? 16 pt lead with 30 mins of football left on the road in the sec.....play it safe, yeah ok.
There were alot of people in orange that had similiar hopes of a guy named crumpton. just saying dude, both these guys have long ways to go.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:01 pm to BT
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Is it good coaching that for ark game LM and GC decided to help JJ out and not make him have to make those descisons.????
You brought LM into the subject of play calling first...not me...
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You do realize all this glorification of JJ comes after 6 quarters of play? 16 pt lead with 30 mins of football left on the road in the sec.....play it safe, yeah ok.
how does JL warrant all the glorification that he gets? Game after game he makes the same mistakes but you continue to put him on a throne....for what?? Someone please tell me what he has done that makes him the better choice?? I've asked over and over and can't get an answer.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:07 pm to bayoutiggah
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16 pt lead with 30 mins of football left on the road in the sec.....play it safe, yeah ok.
And when has Crowton EVER stepped on the throats of a down opponent?? He always plays it safe...but that's another story and another discussion...
And playing it safe actually worked at Arky....we had them 4 and 10 when Johnson decided to get stupid and Ahlem decided to try out for punter...
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:10 pm to bayoutiggah
our football teams sucks right now. Les sucks as a head coach. Crowton has sucked as an OC. And, neither JL nor JJ have looked good this season.
Can we have a different argument?
Can we have a different argument?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:12 pm to hashtag
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our football teams sucks right now. Les sucks as a head coach. Crowton has sucked as an OC. And, neither JL nor JJ have looked good this season.
I don't think we suck...i just think we had bad breaks this year...
I've never been a fan of Crowton but I still have faith in Miles...and hopefully he gets the D.C. situation under control...if not...then we'll have to revisit the subject...lol...
All and all when the day is over I still wear my purple and gold
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:15 pm to bayoutiggah
Bottom line is both need to improve dramatically for us to get back to the winning we have been accustomed to the past few years. WHich ever one wins out the job so be it. Im rooting for both guys to do well. As of today...I just dont believe theres a substantial diff between the 2.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:21 pm to bayoutiggah
444 and BT you are the only people that think
JL is better then JJ.
JJ preformed better then JL as a True freshman.
(clearly superior to lee)
Only a person that cannot admitt they are wrong
would continue to argue for JL. He had a fall and a spring ahead of JJ.
99% of the fans that watch the Ark. game thought JJ superior to JL.
JL is better then JJ.
JJ preformed better then JL as a True freshman.
(clearly superior to lee)
Only a person that cannot admitt they are wrong
would continue to argue for JL. He had a fall and a spring ahead of JJ.
99% of the fans that watch the Ark. game thought JJ superior to JL.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:34 pm to gotygers
JJ only completes 40% of his passes, and runs 2.8 yds per carry.
Every RB but Quinn has better YPC, so I'd rather have a QB that completes passes, and lets the RBs pick up the yds on the ground.
Plus Lee has proven he can win games, JJ has proven zip.
I'd rather win ugly, than not win at all.
Every RB but Quinn has better YPC, so I'd rather have a QB that completes passes, and lets the RBs pick up the yds on the ground.
Plus Lee has proven he can win games, JJ has proven zip.
I'd rather win ugly, than not win at all.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:41 pm to RobbBobb
Anyone that saw that game and Doesn't think
JJ is superior to JL is blind.
We scored 30 points, we lost because of defense. No pick sixes. About his 40% it was raining and allot of his passes were dropped. He was much more acurate then JL and has a much stronger arm.
JJ is superior to JL is blind.
We scored 30 points, we lost because of defense. No pick sixes. About his 40% it was raining and allot of his passes were dropped. He was much more acurate then JL and has a much stronger arm.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:43 pm to gotygers
It was against the 78th best team in the country. You could have won that game at QB.
We got a total of what, 20 yds in the entire 2nd half? And thats your idea of a better QB? Your not that hard to please
We got a total of what, 20 yds in the entire 2nd half? And thats your idea of a better QB? Your not that hard to please
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