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re: Why can't LSU force ticket holders to use their tickets?
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:15 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:15 pm to meauxjeaux2
About the only useful suggestion in this thread is attendance based priority point system. Get points for your tickets being used. If you can't use them, put them on the market place.
The Athletic Department will not want to take control over tickets you can't use. You think if you can't give away Furman tickets that LSU wants to void your tickets and attempt to resell them? They'll have a hard enough time selling the tickets Furman returns.
The Athletic Department will not want to take control over tickets you can't use. You think if you can't give away Furman tickets that LSU wants to void your tickets and attempt to resell them? They'll have a hard enough time selling the tickets Furman returns.
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:16 pm to meauxjeaux2
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i have had times where I couldn't get rid of mine for free as well.LSU would have to allow you to go online and void your tickets so that they could try to sell them to make this whole thing work.
Now look at how complex all this is getting. You're trying to regulate human nature. It's pointless. If you want butts in the seats, respond to market forces. Give people enough entertainment to overcome competing entertainment options.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:25 pm to UncleEarl
If you want to give your tix away why not big bros big sisters?
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:27 pm to UncleEarl
quote:No, it wouldn't. You can keep claiming it would be difficult, but it wouldn't. A letter to the season ticket holder with a deadline for an explanation why the license should not be renewed is all it would take.
. Enforcing such a policy would be difficult, expensive, and time consuming. It would also be controversial.
I'm willing to bet there are not more than a handful, maybe 25-50 season ticket holders, who miss every game or perhaps all but one game. We're not talking about 10,000 season ticket holders who would be at risk.
quote:This is where you're not paying attention or you're just being willfully obtuse.
One could easily skip a few games,
I am not advocating anyone losing their season ticket license for missing "a few games." I'm referring to someone who misses the entire season or maybe all but one game. Why are you insisting on exaggerating?
quote:If you can't find someone who will attend at least one game a season, then...yeah. Lose them.
I need to guarantee their butts will be in my seats.
For 25-50 seats being made available to someone who would actually attend games, I think it is worth the effort to at least try. The waiting list for season tickets or for upgrading tickets is in the thousands. Those people deserve to be able to buy or upgrade their season tickets if someone else refuses to use their tickets for even one game.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:54 pm to LSURussian
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I am not advocating anyone losing their season ticket license for missing "a few games."
You're right. I did miss that part. I thought you were proposing a stricter standard. I didn't realize you were proposing an entire system dedicated to verifying that every season ticket holder attend a single game each year.
But will making season ticket holders attend a single game each year solve the problem being addressed by this thread? Spread out over 6-8 home games a year, making each season ticket holder attend a single game will not avoid whole swaths of empty seats--which seems to be the issue this thread was created to address. This is particularly true when almost every seat is guaranteed to be filled for at least one game a year. This year, for example, I don't think we're going to see many empty seats at the A&M game. Continuing to use this year as an example, I could just attend (or have someone else attend) the A&M game, which is almost certainly going to be packed, and then I don't have to worry about your system for the rest of the games. I keep my tickets, and the stadium is still missing large chunks of fans for the Florida game.
If the objective of your proposed system is to make sure season ticket holders attend a single game each season, you were right when you said it wouldn't be expensive or complicated. But it's also not necessary. What are you accomplishing? Are you solving the problem? Or are you just creating a program for the sake of trying to control what people do with their property (or, as you pointed out, their voidable license to lease a seat...like it matters)?
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:56 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted this in the other thread, but I'm not sure that everyone realizes this.
When I first started LSU as a student, I got season football tickets for around $45. If I didnt want to go to a game, I simply had to find another student willing to buy my ticket and exchange cash for said ticket. If I wanted to bring my girlfriend or brother to the game, I simply had to go to the athletic ticket office, py $35, and have them put a little sticker on the ticket. Simple, quick, and easy.
After the NC in 03, the ticket office raised the price of student tickets. They also came up with a genius idea: Why should we allow the students to handle the sale of their tickets like we do everyone else in the stadium when we can make them do it our way? Gone were the days of simply exchanging a ticket for cash; no, we had to post our tickets on the ticket exchange, purchase them through it, and pay a convenient $1 "transaction fee". Then, if I wanted to bring my girlfriend or brother to a game, I had to find a ticket AND get it upgraded at the ticket office 24hrs in advance.
You want to know why a lot of students dont show up? There you go. I can walk around outside of Tiger Stadium and hock my tickets to whoever wants them.... unless I'm a student. If I get plastered and cant walk to the game, I can give my ticket to someone else.... unless I'm a student.
You want the students to start acting like adults? Perhaps you should stop imposing juvenile regulations like this.
When I first started LSU as a student, I got season football tickets for around $45. If I didnt want to go to a game, I simply had to find another student willing to buy my ticket and exchange cash for said ticket. If I wanted to bring my girlfriend or brother to the game, I simply had to go to the athletic ticket office, py $35, and have them put a little sticker on the ticket. Simple, quick, and easy.
After the NC in 03, the ticket office raised the price of student tickets. They also came up with a genius idea: Why should we allow the students to handle the sale of their tickets like we do everyone else in the stadium when we can make them do it our way? Gone were the days of simply exchanging a ticket for cash; no, we had to post our tickets on the ticket exchange, purchase them through it, and pay a convenient $1 "transaction fee". Then, if I wanted to bring my girlfriend or brother to a game, I had to find a ticket AND get it upgraded at the ticket office 24hrs in advance.
You want to know why a lot of students dont show up? There you go. I can walk around outside of Tiger Stadium and hock my tickets to whoever wants them.... unless I'm a student. If I get plastered and cant walk to the game, I can give my ticket to someone else.... unless I'm a student.
You want the students to start acting like adults? Perhaps you should stop imposing juvenile regulations like this.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 1:59 pm to elprez00
No idea why the hell they wanted to expand tiger stadium ask Tennessee about sky box revenue
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:13 pm to UncleEarl
You can't have it both ways.
You can't argue someone's ticket rights should not be revoked for missing "just a few games" and then turn around and say it's not enough to allow them to keep their ticket rights if they only attend one game.
Unless you just like to argue.....
You can't argue someone's ticket rights should not be revoked for missing "just a few games" and then turn around and say it's not enough to allow them to keep their ticket rights if they only attend one game.
Unless you just like to argue.....
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:13 pm to meauxjeaux2
Reposting this here:
I understand the rationale behind your suggestion. It's well-intentioned. But frankly there is little the AD can do about lazy, greedy, corpulent, apathetic, excuse-concoting pussy fans.
It's too rainy!
It's too hot!
The night games end too late!
The day games start too early!
We were ahead by too much!
We were behind by too much!
It's a boring game!
There's too much traffic!
I'll do what I please!
Unfortunately, I can't envision a viable way of purging these vaginas from the season ticker holder ranks. You just have to hope they all die soon.
I understand the rationale behind your suggestion. It's well-intentioned. But frankly there is little the AD can do about lazy, greedy, corpulent, apathetic, excuse-concoting pussy fans.
It's too rainy!
It's too hot!
The night games end too late!
The day games start too early!
We were ahead by too much!
We were behind by too much!
It's a boring game!
There's too much traffic!
I'll do what I please!
Unfortunately, I can't envision a viable way of purging these vaginas from the season ticker holder ranks. You just have to hope they all die soon.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:17 pm to meauxjeaux2
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3 strikes and you're out kind of thing?
They know what tickets aren't being used. At the least it would make these people get rid of them if they're not using them.
1) shite happens, sometimes you can't make a game
2) sometimes it is a family that has them shoudl you have your season tickets yanked because your brother is a jackass
3) money
4) money
5 money
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:19 pm to meauxjeaux2
The only way I could get behind this is if the tickets were unused habitually.. less than a game a year, you get a warning.. Next year you lose your tickets if you dont use the tickets atleast half the games...
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:39 pm to LSURussian
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You can't argue someone's ticket rights should not be revoked for missing "just a few games" and then turn around and say it's not enough to allow them to keep their ticket rights if they only attend one game.
That wasn't my position. My position is that your proposed system is a futile attempt to remedy the problem. Regardless of whether the standard is one missed game (which is easy to satisfy), five missed games (which is going to create a lot of the medical condition and work situation appeals you proposed), or something in the middle (which runs into both problems), it's not going to work. When someone purchases something with their money, they do what they want with it. Regardless of how many other people are on a wait list to purchase the same thing. Regardless of any system designed to control their behavior. You may catch a few people, but it won't justify the measures you employed to catch them.
Also, I was pointing out that any system put in place along these lines will be fraught with unforeseen consequences. Some of which are likely to make people angry. Which will drive the demand for LSU tickets, and thus the price the AD can charge, down.
Finally, without spelling it out, I was trying to make a point about being free to do what you please with the things you pay for. Why should some bureaucracy of ticket overseers be employed to control fans' behavior? Or even just a single student worker be employed to do the same? It's not going to work. Give your fans the product they're demanding (things like better non-con match ups at home, on screen updates from other games during commercial breaks, Wi-Fi access, and other things the market is demanding), and people will show up. Humans are much more responsive to incentives than regulations.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:46 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:
So you're saying putting attendance stipulations on season ticket holders is unreasonable?
Yes. It is.
I'll never understand how people can get so butthurt over what others do with their money when it doesn't affect them in the least.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:49 pm to Godfather1
quote:I question this because of the perception being portrayed on the tv and the gameday experience I've been witnessing the last 5 years or so.
es. It is.
I'll never understand how people can get so butthurt over what others do with their money when it doesn't affect them in the least.
It's not personal to me because as I've stated at least 4 time sin this thread,I'm a season ticket holder myself.
I would like to see these curmudgeons who just hold tickets to say they have them either start going to the games or give them up.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:51 pm to meauxjeaux2
go be dumb on another website
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:54 pm to J Murdah
frick you
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:56 pm to meauxjeaux2
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why so vile? Do you just not have any sort of intelligent argument to make to be so vulgar because of a topic on TD?
The tards here are really unable to hold rational and reasonable conversations without acting like douches.
I had bddwolfpack wanting to meet me on campus and kick my arse just because he didn't like my idea last night.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:56 pm to meauxjeaux2
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I would like to see these curmudgeons who just hold tickets to say they have them either start going to the games or give them up.
Yeah, well, it's never gonna happen.
It's the same thing at The Box. Empty gold seats behind home plate during Super Regionals. You think LSU is going to lose that guaranteed money by taking those seats away on the odd chance that somebody else might be able to afford them and use them? Not likely.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:58 pm to Godfather1
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I'll never understand how people can get so butthurt over what others do with their money when it doesn't affect them in the least.
This is nonsensical fallacy crafted by indolent asses to justify their laziness. OF COURSE the decision not to attend games or to leave early affects others. By necessity, it incrementally diminishes home field advantage. By necessity, it incrementally reduces the noise in Tiger Stadium. It erodes the mystique and reputation of Tiger Stadium in the eyes of visiting fans. It diminishes the gameday experience for other more loyal LSU fans and the LSU players, all of whom are actually willing to do their part to uphold the proud tradition of Death Valley. And moreover, as demonstrated as recently as Saturday, it results in negative comments on national television.
Make no mistake, your self-serving laziness does indeed have consequences.
This post was edited on 10/14/13 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/13 at 2:58 pm to Godfather1
quote:with just the spite and vile I've gotten here on this website I can see that. Damn shame the gameday experience couldn't be improved on.
Yeah, well, it's never gonna happen.
quote:but they know othe rpeople are waiting to buy them already.
You think LSU is going to lose that guaranteed money by taking those seats away on the odd chance that somebody else might be able to afford them and use them? Not likely.
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