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re: Why are we so upset with the defense?
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:44 am to magildachunks
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:44 am to magildachunks
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Why are we so upset with the defense?
Do you really think the defense has looked good this season?
Does the defense look like we thought it would to start the season?
Do you think our defense is playing as well as they’re capable of playing?
The answer is no.
We look lost, unenthusiastic, and sloppy. The defense doesn’t look like a cohesive unit. They look like 11 players trying to make it to the draft. We may miss Devin White’s leadership more than his actual play. The missed tackles, blown coverages, false steps/reads by the LBs are all due to lack of focus but can all be fixed. The talent is there and I don’t think Aranda has forgot how to coach a defense. Someone needs to step up and get everyone’s minds right.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:46 am to Bengal26
It's frustrating to watch guys who played great last year forget how to tackle. But if they played great in the past they're capable of playing great in the future.
dum anima est, spes est
dum anima est, spes est
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:46 am to Tigers4life
quote:Nobody is asking you to be happy about it. In fact, I don't think anybody is actually saying that there aren't deficiencies that need to get fixed. Most (if not all) LSU fans realize that we need to get better on defense. But let the coaching staff handle that. You do you.
The coaching staff isn't happy about it so why should I be?
quote:My God, that's a big part of it. Coach O said it himself, that we had guys in the wrong spot according to the play called. You don't think that adds a big part to it?
They also said with most all the D-line starters out....they were basically playing with the 2nd d-line unit but that's no excuse for mistakes.
I'll give you tackling. Instead of trying to be the hero and strip the ball, focus on tackling and wrapping up and bringing your man down. So what if he got the first. Shake it off and bring him down ASAP. Make them have to fight for yardage. I suspect that will be the focus this week in practice, and I fully trust the coaching staff to take care of business.
It isn't like years past with the offense, where we knew from watching for years on end that the offense was not going to change, and it was purely scheme (which you don't just flip a switch week to week with scheme). The deficiencies that need to get fixed will get fixed with starters coming back and coaching. Because of that, I feel there's no need for any of us to panic. It's certainly not a time to melt down. If anybody is melting down right now, it's because you're addicted to the feeling of being anxious and like to feel that way.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:47 am to saint tiger225
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The 2 goalline stands against Texas and the 4th down stop today come to mind.
One of those goal line stands was a total "drop" by the Texas receiver.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:49 am to PawnMaster
quote:There you go. Answered your own question. We have a week off and two weeks till Utah State. Lots of time to accomplish that.
The talent is there and I don’t think Aranda has forgot how to coach a defense. Someone needs to step up and get everyone’s minds right.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:51 am to magildachunks
Because they're horrible and we won't be able to compete with the better SEC teams if we can't keep them off the field.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:53 am to saint tiger225
Question: Do you think an Aranda-led Wisconsin defense could’ve done better against Vandy?
I’d contend LSU’s 2nd and 3rd team players were more talented than Wiskys.
If Aranda is lacking his starters, he needs to channel his Wisky state of mind.....
I’d contend LSU’s 2nd and 3rd team players were more talented than Wiskys.
If Aranda is lacking his starters, he needs to channel his Wisky state of mind.....
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:53 am to magildachunks
This defense, in terms of softness, is right up there with 2008 Mallveto and 1998 Lou Tepper.
Yeah, I said it.
They are a "read and react" defense that gets run over more times than not. They cannot tackle, and with the exception of #24, they cannot cover.
Remember, UT was two dropped TDs away from beating us.
We are 1/3 of the way through the season and nothing is improving on that front. At this point, it may be safe to say this is what it is.
If so, we lose three games because of it.
Yeah, I said it.
They are a "read and react" defense that gets run over more times than not. They cannot tackle, and with the exception of #24, they cannot cover.
Remember, UT was two dropped TDs away from beating us.
We are 1/3 of the way through the season and nothing is improving on that front. At this point, it may be safe to say this is what it is.
If so, we lose three games because of it.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:54 am to magildachunks
they can't tackle...
they can't cover...
their 'all-American' safety has take the year off..
they look slow...
they look soft...
they lack fight...
our defense is pathetic... that's a fact
they can't cover...
their 'all-American' safety has take the year off..
they look slow...
they look soft...
they lack fight...
our defense is pathetic... that's a fact
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:57 am to RealityTiger
Your overreacting to my post. I was simply quoting facts. If CEO isn't happy about it then I have the right not to be also but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 8:59 am to magildachunks
They absolutely need to work on tackling. I don’t think anyone thinks we are doing good in that area. Though to be honest, I’m not sure it’s that they don’t know how to tackle more so than it is that they are just focusing on trying to get turnovers instead of stops.
The defense is not as horrible as most think. I posted this several times yesterday. In the first half, the defense caused four 3 and outs and two 5 and outs and only gave up 10 points. The only other possession Vandy had in the first half was the opening drive (led mostly by their running back who is actually a very good running back that will be drafted by an NFL team), and an 11 play drive that ended in a field goal. I think their running back caught our defense off guard in that first drive. I don’t think they expected him to be as good as he is.
After the first drive of the second half, we were up 45 to 17. That’s really when the defense started looking “bad”. I think they just got complacent after the half. It’s been an issue at LSU for years when we go up big on an opponent (it happens at almost every school not named Bama though) or maybe we do have a strength and conditioning issue and our defensive players just can’t play a whole game.
The point is, there were times in that game (and every game so far) that our defense played very well. They just have a tendency to give up big plays every now and then.
The defense is not as horrible as most think. I posted this several times yesterday. In the first half, the defense caused four 3 and outs and two 5 and outs and only gave up 10 points. The only other possession Vandy had in the first half was the opening drive (led mostly by their running back who is actually a very good running back that will be drafted by an NFL team), and an 11 play drive that ended in a field goal. I think their running back caught our defense off guard in that first drive. I don’t think they expected him to be as good as he is.
After the first drive of the second half, we were up 45 to 17. That’s really when the defense started looking “bad”. I think they just got complacent after the half. It’s been an issue at LSU for years when we go up big on an opponent (it happens at almost every school not named Bama though) or maybe we do have a strength and conditioning issue and our defensive players just can’t play a whole game.
The point is, there were times in that game (and every game so far) that our defense played very well. They just have a tendency to give up big plays every now and then.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:01 am to magildachunks
I’ve been pretty critical of the defense this year. I felt like they played better last night than they have been, but there are still several glaring issues.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:03 am to Tigers4life
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:05 am to shinerfan
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It's frustrating to watch guys who played great last year forget how to tackle
We are soft on defense. That's the main problem. Need more power, more aggression. Opponents are just running through our arm tackling.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:06 am to magildachunks
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Who the frick cares?
I do
I want LSU to win a NC
We have alot of games left on our schedule with much better offenses and if we don't beat them all, then that probably isn't going to happen.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
Which some of that softness falls on moffitt
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:13 am to Big4SALTbro
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Which some of that softness falls on moffitt
I’ve been wondering this myself for years.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:17 am to magildachunks
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Stats mean dick in the long run.
Well, scoring defense is important and the defense was stingy on the scoreboard to Vandy - 1.5 points per drive. Over 1/3 of Vandy's points were defensive scores.
LSU could have scored in the 80s if desired. We set the score. When you have a competent defense (which we do) and you set the score, you win 10 times out of 10.
The worrisome things are that we can't get pressure on the QB consistently (even against weaker teams) and certain fundamental things (coverage and tackling) appear well below what our program expectations are going back decades.
That is folks' concern. However, to be fair, we've always had a tendency to play down to opponents. It's just we're used to the offense stumbling through these down games on the schedule, not the defense.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:22 am to stelly1025
It’s s mind set! You hv never coached football obviously.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:56 pm to stelly1025
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Most of it is not honest observations it is just idiots running their mouth. As for yesterday the game was already out of hand ,and the offense could have put up 80 if they wanted to. You think that you can make an honest evaluation of defense from a game like that?
Do I think I can make an honest observation about a game like that? Yes. They were bad from the very beginning of the game, not just with a big lead. And the very idea that having a big lead means you are allowed to suck on defense is a completely made up notion. You remember that time when LSU beat a top ten Virginia Tech team 48-7 and held them under 150 yards of offense?
You either play good defense, or you don't. The score does not matter.
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