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Why all the backlash now? Only the outcome changed
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:11 am
The list of grievances that seem to be brought up over and over:
Bad offensive scheme
Lack of adjustments
Poor play calling
Poor qb play
Undisciplined players
Wasting timeouts
Not getting plays in on time
Poor special teams play
Have all been happening for years, literally. The one exception would possibly be special teams, as that didn't really start until last year.
So why all the backlash now? Is it really just because of 1 lost game? What miles said last night is true: it was just 1 game, all goals for this season are still attainable.
It's not the first time this team has played inexcusably terribly to start a season against an inferior team. It's just the first time Lsu screwed up the end of the game, not the inferior team.
Last year, mississippi st outplayed Lsu and had a make able field goal chance to win the game. They took a stupid penalty that moved them to the edge of their kickers range, he missed, Lsu wins despite playing poorly with many of the characteristics listed above, no outpouring of backlash.
A few years ago, an already inferior North Carolina team that had half of its starters suspended for the game outplayed Lsu and had a play into the end zone to win the game. The receiver dropped the pass, Lsu wins despite playing poorly with many of the characteristics listed above, no outpouring of backlash.
So is that really it? Instead of the other team failing at the end of the game, Lsu does and it's time for miles to go?
Bad offensive scheme
Lack of adjustments
Poor play calling
Poor qb play
Undisciplined players
Wasting timeouts
Not getting plays in on time
Poor special teams play
Have all been happening for years, literally. The one exception would possibly be special teams, as that didn't really start until last year.
So why all the backlash now? Is it really just because of 1 lost game? What miles said last night is true: it was just 1 game, all goals for this season are still attainable.
It's not the first time this team has played inexcusably terribly to start a season against an inferior team. It's just the first time Lsu screwed up the end of the game, not the inferior team.
Last year, mississippi st outplayed Lsu and had a make able field goal chance to win the game. They took a stupid penalty that moved them to the edge of their kickers range, he missed, Lsu wins despite playing poorly with many of the characteristics listed above, no outpouring of backlash.
A few years ago, an already inferior North Carolina team that had half of its starters suspended for the game outplayed Lsu and had a play into the end zone to win the game. The receiver dropped the pass, Lsu wins despite playing poorly with many of the characteristics listed above, no outpouring of backlash.
So is that really it? Instead of the other team failing at the end of the game, Lsu does and it's time for miles to go?
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:12 am to Open Your Eyes
If you think the backlash just appeared, that's on you.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:12 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why all the backlash now
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the outcome changed
TLDR but you answer your question in the second sentence
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:12 am to Open Your Eyes
Difference now is even the Miles backers have turned.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:13 am to Open Your Eyes
It has been time since 1/9/12, so that is my silver lining for the loss last weekend.
Just as you said, if we pull that one off, the shitshow continues, but since we finally lost one of those, the natives are pissed.
Just as you said, if we pull that one off, the shitshow continues, but since we finally lost one of those, the natives are pissed.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:14 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why all the backlash now? Only the outcome changed
ugh!!
The IDEA was that Miles, having come perilously close to ACTUALLY being fired last season, will have seen the light and made real, substantive changes.
Had the entire off season to prepare, and presented what was seen.
Those of us supporting Les capitulated. It isn't hard to understand, really.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:15 am to Open Your Eyes
The problem with special teams started before this year bro
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:17 am to Open Your Eyes
On a side note, this is a great thread from a guy named
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Open Your Eyes
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:18 am to Open Your Eyes
A lot of people had delusions of grandeur when Miles wasn't fired last year. They thought that he might actually see the light and modernize the Offense and open things up.
The first 3 plays of the Wisconsin game made all those people realize that ain't a damn thing changed.
The first 3 plays of the Wisconsin game made all those people realize that ain't a damn thing changed.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:18 am to Open Your Eyes
Fair or not, games are judged by wins and losses. At the end of the day that's all that anyone is going to remember.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:19 am to Open Your Eyes
People just needed to open their eyes.
We are a results-driven society. You get evaluated and paid for results, it's human nature. But in order to get repeatable, consistent, quality results, you have to focus on what you can control. Some call this the process, mate.
I'm not a football coach and I'm pretty dumb. But I have enough sense to understand when something is sloppy, inefficient, or poorly run. These attributes have embodied Miles' tenure. The one variable has been the defense, and it's widely acknowledged that Miles has no impact on that, other than hiring coaches. Otherwise, offense, the OL itself (Miles' presumed area of expertise), and game management have been almost invariably a trainwreck.
We are a results-driven society. You get evaluated and paid for results, it's human nature. But in order to get repeatable, consistent, quality results, you have to focus on what you can control. Some call this the process, mate.
I'm not a football coach and I'm pretty dumb. But I have enough sense to understand when something is sloppy, inefficient, or poorly run. These attributes have embodied Miles' tenure. The one variable has been the defense, and it's widely acknowledged that Miles has no impact on that, other than hiring coaches. Otherwise, offense, the OL itself (Miles' presumed area of expertise), and game management have been almost invariably a trainwreck.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:20 am to Open Your Eyes
You forgot - Terrible offensive line.
This caused the majority of our problems against Wisconsin.
I can't remember the last time we had a really good one.
This caused the majority of our problems against Wisconsin.
I can't remember the last time we had a really good one.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:23 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why all the backlash now? Only the outcome changed
So...you were unhappy with the outcome, then?
At the end of the day, all I've ever cared about was winning games...not HOW we won games. So...even if they were ugly, the outcome was what mattered.
Keep in mind...people have been dooming and glooming his scheme for years on end, all the while he piled up wins. Think back to 2011...and you won't have to look too far to see fans bitching about how we were dominating teams. Had OSU been the opponent in the BCSNC instead of BAMA, he'd have almost certainly run his scheme to Title #2. Would we have hated that title?
Truth is...Miles way shows that there was more than one way to skin this cat. For a long while it WAS successful, even if not as exciting as some fans would have wanted. For a while now, it has not been and it's cost us dearly...
And as BHP stated, the reason you're seeing backlash now is that we were promised substantive change in the off season. That has clearly not happened, and a season with tons of promise looks to be as likely stagnant as the previous few when our offense struggles to move the ball against quality teams designed to stop it.
Suggesting that people were correct in bitching while LSU won games ugly is silly. For frick's sake...all coaches eventually run their course, even the best ones. Suggesting there was ALWAYS a problem and even the wins were tainted is such armchair coaching...and largely why it's been so hard to enjoy being a fan for svereal years now.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:24 am to foghat
Not making any changes or improvements over last 9 months is too much for even Miles supporters
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:24 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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The IDEA was that Miles, having come perilously close to ACTUALLY being fired last season, will have seen the light and made real, substantive changes.
Had the entire off season to prepare, and presented what was seen.
Those of us supporting Les capitulated. It isn't hard to understand, really.
These folks were naive or just ignorant. It's immature and silly to just bash the coach all the time, and I get why people defended Miles at times. He's a decent guy and some things are more important than a game. I hold no ill will for those people because they are just fans, just like me. They just happened to disagree.
But it was bizarre that some were able to think he could adapt.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:25 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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The IDEA was that Miles, having come perilously close to ACTUALLY being fired last season, will have seen the light and made real, substantive changes.
Why would would anyone think that? Because of his strong engine comments after the Texas A&M game? Because he brought Cameron back? What evidence of change occurred to make you believe a guy that is notoriously stubborn was actually going to change this time?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:26 am to Lou Pai
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These folks were naive or just ignorant.
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But it was bizarre that some were able to think he could adapt.
Ouch!
Why not just poke me in the eye with a sharpened stick?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:27 am to Open Your Eyes
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So why all the backlash now? Is it really just because of 1 lost game?
this is common but with wins the positigers cry and RA the negative threads. Kind of hard to do that when we lost our opening game in a season all that stuff was supposed to change.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:27 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why would would anyone think that? Because of his strong engine comments after the Texas A&M game? Because he brought Cameron back? What evidence of change occurred to make you believe a guy that is notoriously stubborn was actually going to change this time?
Dude...you asked what was the DIFFERENCE. I am not going to, then, go back a re-litigate the case.
You were correct before I was. That is all.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:28 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:Soft, steady, reassuring Big Cat cuddletalk
What evidence of change occurred to make you believe a guy that is notoriously stubborn was actually going to change this time?
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