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whos really fraudulent?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:28 pm
If a player takes money from adidas thru a middleman...
And then a school is being defrauded because they offer a player who they think is actually eligible but isn’t ...
Then whose really the one perpetrating the fraud?
The player and the family
Not adidas not the middleman
That’s why the NCAA hasn’t said shite.
And by the way how can something be federally fraudulent if the issue being hidden or obfuscated isn’t a law but instead NCAA rules?
I have a rule that my little ones get to eat Pizza on Friday nights if they are good during the week. If they lied and we’re actually bad, can I sic the feds on them and Mr Gattis?
This whole thing is so much bullshite.
And then a school is being defrauded because they offer a player who they think is actually eligible but isn’t ...
Then whose really the one perpetrating the fraud?
The player and the family
Not adidas not the middleman
That’s why the NCAA hasn’t said shite.
And by the way how can something be federally fraudulent if the issue being hidden or obfuscated isn’t a law but instead NCAA rules?
I have a rule that my little ones get to eat Pizza on Friday nights if they are good during the week. If they lied and we’re actually bad, can I sic the feds on them and Mr Gattis?
This whole thing is so much bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 8:30 pm
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:31 pm to extremetigerfanatic
What happens when all the elite players are funneled money from shoe companies through the AAU scum? College coach still responsible for this?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:36 pm to Carville
What happens when the money actually leads back to no coaches ever?
The feds want to stick this on companies and their middlemen. They may get what they want because juries can be swayed.
But why does adidas have to be forced to honor the NCAAs rules by the government?
The feds want to stick this on companies and their middlemen. They may get what they want because juries can be swayed.
But why does adidas have to be forced to honor the NCAAs rules by the government?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:50 pm to extremetigerfanatic
What I would’ve done is not talk about the fraud over the damn phone.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:51 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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If a player takes money from adidas thru a middleman...
Why is the player taking the money??
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And then a school is being defrauded because they offer a player who they think is actually eligible but isn’t ...
Why is the player taking the money??
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The player and the family
Not adidas not the middleman
Nice try.
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This whole thing is so much bull shite.
"whole thing" = cheating
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:53 pm to extremetigerfanatic
If the feds start getting into a tax case that could turn out bad for boosters, family members player handlers that disbursed payment, universities, and eventually the NCAA. If boosters are paying money they know is going to the families, through handlers or bag men and taxes are never paid by the family for receiving that money it’s a huge conspiracy potentially even involving m the boosters paying the bag men and the universities if they knew it was being done. And, if there is proof the NCAA knew about it that would be another co-conspirator in a tax fraud case. Would finally clean up the NCAA if that could happen.
Not specific to LSU, just anyone that is paying families or players and telling them they have to hide it or cannot report it on their taxes.
Not specific to LSU, just anyone that is paying families or players and telling them they have to hide it or cannot report it on their taxes.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:06 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Why is the player taking the money??
Because he’s good at basketball and adidas think this will help them with said player in the future.
Nothing that has anything to do with a Nike school.
I’m not saying LSU or Wade didn’t cheat.
I’m asking how has cheating turned into a federal investigation of adidas and it’s middleman and now coaches.
The people defrauding the system are the kids and their parents.
Follow the money is always a good way to find the truth.
Why would adidas have any responsibility to report cheating to the NCAA or if the parent never pays taxes the IRS?
They don’t. This is all bullshite
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:27 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
whos really fraudulent?
quote:
If a player takes money from adidas thru a middleman...
And then a school is being defrauded because they offer a player who they think is actually eligible but isn’t ...
Then whose really the one perpetrating the fraud?
The player and the family
Not adidas not the middleman
That’s why the NCAA hasn’t said shite.
And by the way how can something be federally fraudulent if the issue being hidden or obfuscated isn’t a law but instead NCAA rules?
I have a rule that my little ones get to eat Pizza on Friday nights if they are good during the week. If they lied and we’re actually bad, can I sic the feds on them and Mr Gattis?
This whole thing is so much bull shite.
It's a very VERY shaky and flimsy legal theory to offer no doubt, mental gymnastics to the max, that it's produced the verdicts it's produced in the federal trial literally blows my mind, goofy stuff
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:31 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Because he’s good at basketball and adidas think this will help them with said player in the future.
Nothing that has anything to do with a Nike school.
I’m not saying LSU or Wade didn’t cheat.
I’m asking how has cheating turned into a federal investigation of adidas and it’s middleman and now coaches.
The people defrauding the system are the kids and their parents.
Follow the money is always a good way to find the truth.
Why would adidas have any responsibility to report cheating to the NCAA or if the parent never pays taxes the IRS?
They don’t. This is all bullshite
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE! If people like you ran the govt I all but guarantee our tax dollars would be spent way more efficiently and our deficit situation would be more sustainable.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:40 pm to Irish LSU Fan
Why can’t a player make money?
Anyone on academic scholarship can make money or work for a company in their field of study and still be granted a scholarship. Why shouldn’t athletes be given the same rights?
The entire “amateur athlete” status thing is a complete fraud.
I think the players should be paid. And taxed on those payments. You know, like the rest of us are.
Anyone on academic scholarship can make money or work for a company in their field of study and still be granted a scholarship. Why shouldn’t athletes be given the same rights?
The entire “amateur athlete” status thing is a complete fraud.
I think the players should be paid. And taxed on those payments. You know, like the rest of us are.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:44 pm to J2thaROC
Here’s a better one
Say I develop a drink that can help you pass a pee test if you smoke Mary Jane. But I only sell it in Colorado where it’s legal. I can be prosecuted by the FBI for defrauding CO companies that still fire people for smoking blunts (like the Broncos) if I sell it or even GIVE it to anyone. Even though smoking marijuana is perfectly legal there. No law broken at all.
How is this different?
The NCAA is a private organization. Why does the FBI care that NCAA rules were broken?
Say I develop a drink that can help you pass a pee test if you smoke Mary Jane. But I only sell it in Colorado where it’s legal. I can be prosecuted by the FBI for defrauding CO companies that still fire people for smoking blunts (like the Broncos) if I sell it or even GIVE it to anyone. Even though smoking marijuana is perfectly legal there. No law broken at all.
How is this different?
The NCAA is a private organization. Why does the FBI care that NCAA rules were broken?
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:13 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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The NCAA is a private organization. Why does the FBI care that NCAA rules were broken?
They don't. Paying recruits/players is not a crime and they weren't charged for that.
What made this a crime in the eyes of the feds were the payments to asst coaches in return to influence the players to sign with a school, shoe company, agent, financial planner, etc. 4 asst coaches were indicted, 3 accepted a plea deal.
Coaches are university officials. Universities accept federal money. That's the federal link.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:41 pm to JustSmokin
No coaches are being prosecuted. Buts let’s run with that for the sake of argument.
If an official of a school brokered a deal to get a player there illegally (per the NCAA) how is that fraud?
How can you defraud yourself?
It’s cheating but not fraud.
If an official of a school brokered a deal to get a player there illegally (per the NCAA) how is that fraud?
How can you defraud yourself?
It’s cheating but not fraud.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:53 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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No coaches are being prosecuted
Assistant coaches are coaches and university officials. 4 were indicted.
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It’s cheating but not fraud.
A jury and judge decided otherwise. We'll see what happens in the next trial.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:03 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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If an official of a school brokered a deal to get a player there illegally (per the NCAA) how is that fraud?
How can you defraud yourself?
Only thing I can think of is depending on the amount, they are required to tell the government that money exchanged hands! I have contract employees that I send 1099s to every year by law. If I didn't, those people could decide to not pay taxes on what is taxable income. Now this might not legally effect the school official/coach if he's not making the exchange, but whoever is paying the money must report it.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:18 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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And by the way how can something be federally fraudulent if the issue being hidden or obfuscated isn’t a law but instead NCAA rules?
Tax evasion
Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:24 pm to JustSmokin
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Assistant coaches are coaches and university officials. 4 were indicted.
You’re right. Chuck Persons was one.
Just reenforces my point. How can Auburn defraud itself? For all intent and purpose until he’s fired Persons IS Auburn. Chuck cheated. Auburn cheated. Done. How is this shite a crime?
The only true defrauders are the kids themselves and the parents.
If this shite is a crime then what isn’t a crime? The FBI just making shite up as they go?
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:30 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Tax evasion
Where? Who being charged with this? How does this affect a coach who didn’t pay or accept the money?
The answers are
Nowhere no one and nothing.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:55 am to extremetigerfanatic
PREACH extremetigerfanatic keep dropping those truth bombs logic and facts shall prevail!
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:20 am to extremetigerfanatic
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And by the way how can something be federally fraudulent if the issue being hidden or obfuscated isn’t a law but instead NCAA rules?
It is explained in paragraph 3 of the federal indictment linked here, and further down what part the NCAA rules play in making this a fraud against the Universities involved. The NCAA rules starting at paragraph 23 are pretty interesting. And don't kill the messenger like the other thread where I posted this, I am just posting information, and not a opinion of my own.
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