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re: Whoever decided "hey lets try to job BK out of his contract" needs to be sent to pasture
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:36 am to deathvalleytiger10
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:36 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Then, at least if claims by Kelly's attorneys are true(notice I said "if"), LSU changed tactics and changed the game to possibly firing with cause.
How about we just say Kelly’s attorneys then alleged LSU changed tactics. That’s all that has happened.
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They made offers and if reports are true, he countered.
Which reports?
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My prediction is a settlement is reached between the $43 and $30 million mark, probably closer to the $30 million. And, I wonder if LSU had countered the $43m at say $32m, would Kelly's team have dropped a number that then they both agreed upon.
You don’t need to wonder about this. Kellys team decided to end the negotiations, or at least reset them with higher stakes.
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Regarding Lump sum vs the contracted buyout. Of course a lump can be better for Kelly and the more he gets the better it is for him. This is not some rocket science that some believe it is
when did I say it was rocket science? I’m just tired of typing it when people refuse to understand that it was a fair offer. quote:
They aren't sitting there with financial calculators and excel spreadsheets figuring out small percentage points if the buyout is $30M or $33M. This is drop in the bucket money for them.
And you still think LSU is the one that’s playing hardball? If you believe what you wrote, why would LSU wind up in a spot where they say “Not another dime!” The logical conclusion is that Kelly refused to negotiate so they never made it any closer tot he middle.
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:36 am to OceanMan
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Where are you getting this information from?
Articles and lawsuits that are publicly available.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:44 am to OceanMan
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That’s not what he was offered. He was offered roughly 2/3 (lump sum is worth more than annuity), and relief from his mitigation duties. I’ll spare you the math, but he could easily make more in this arrangement if he coaches again, which he has a duty to at least try and do under the current arrangement.
He doesn’t have to look for a coaching job. He could look for a media job, which wouldn’t paying nearly as much as a coaching job.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:54 am to GrizzlyWintergreen
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LSU is a disorganized, shady, good ole boys club, who dont honor their deals in writing. Someone in LSU has royally fricked this search. I didnt realize it was this bad.
True. Here’s the reality. We haven’t gotten our first choice on coach in a while. I don’t remember the details on the Les Miles search, but he was a downgrade from Saban at the time. Ed Orgeron was not our first choice. We stumbled and bubbled into that, firing Miles a couple of games in and wasting a season. Brian Kelly wasn’t our first choice. That search was a mess.
We have people in Louisiana with some money, they own a construction business or something, and they are arrogant. They also have no idea what they’re doing. Sadly, they run the state and LSU football.
If I were a competent coach, I’d run. Sure, lots of resources, but we’re back to dysfunctional all over then
Lace.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:55 am to OceanMan
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Which reports?
And the valley shook
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Kellys team decided to end the negotiations,
How does one proceed when an employer responds to an offer by telling you they may be firing you with cause? How do you continue to negotiate? The employer stopped negotiations and basically threatens to fire with cause which would end any buyout.
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If you believe what you wrote, why would LSU wind up in a spot where they say “Not another dime!”
If the allegations made by Kelly are true, LSU went from "we are open to a settlement", which implies a no cause firing, to "we are changing gears and may fire you with cause." So they are going from we will pay you to, no we will not pay you at all.
I don't think LSU is playing hardball. I think LSU is playing stupid. You fired him very publicly. If they don't want to pay Kelly a higher lump sum, just tell him No, we will honor the original agreement, pay you over time and keep us informed of your job search.
LSU would have the upper hand and sentiment would be against Kelly. Instead, they look like a bunch of idiots.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:55 am to OceanMan
Delete-double post
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:56 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Your stance is that firing with or without cause is what is being negotiated?
Umm, no. The separation agreement is what is being negotiated, rather than a termination notice of any sort.
I don’t know how or why this could be hard to understand.
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How so? By asking your employer to be definitive on how they are firing you, with or without cause?
Because they were negotiating a settlement agreement
They are asking if he is terminated, while also arguing that if he is terminated, it must be without cause. Do you see the distinction there?
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Reports are that he countered their offer and LSU responded with changing the discussion from a settlement to "hold up, we might just fire you for cause."
Where was the first part reported? The second part is alleged by Kelly. If I knew either part was true, my stance might change, although that reported offer by Kelly is ridiculous, it’s better than his buyout. But I don’t believe Kelly is telling the entire story.
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Do you realize how ridiculous this is? Apparently not.
Ridiculous that you are taking one side of the story as fact?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 9:56 am to LSBoosie
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Legit question, if it's no big deal, then why are they fighting so hard to not pay him what he is contractually owed? They are willingly to publicly make themselves look bad to the rest of the country and other coaches in order to not pay his full buyout. There must be a reason that they are willing to do that right?
This line of thinking is exactly why people are running with the were poor narrative. They are doing business. If you’ve ever owned a company you know you always look out for your bottom line. It has nothing to do with having taf money secured. It has to do with lessening the financial burden due to him saying he was willing to settle and that is a benefit to LSU bc the annuity goes down. But they’re not paying him 54 million lump. If he decides not to settle it reverts to his 800/month for the remainder of the contract
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:02 am to OceanMan
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rather than a termination notice of any sort.
Uhh, read the lawsuit.
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They are asking if he is terminated
Only after the craziness of LSU saying Woodward didn't have authority to do so. And implying they may seek to fire with cause.
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Where was the first part reported?
Posted that link earlier and have heard it on news reports.
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Ridiculous that you are taking one side of the story as fact?
My posts have constantly said "if" Kelly's lawsuit is factual. I have been VERY clear on this.
You, on the other hand, have a stance that LSU is not, can not, and did not bumble this.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:03 am to GrizzlyWintergreen
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Whoever decided "hey lets try to job BK out of his contract" needs to be sent to pasture
GrizzlyWintergreen
Legitimately.
I guess you're not at the table being asked to write the checks
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:07 am to PurpNGold1985
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They are doing business. If you’ve ever owned a company you know you always look out for your bottom line. It has nothing to do with having taf money secured.
So are the boosters at all these other schools bad businessmen?
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But they’re not paying him 54 million lump
We know. He never asked for that and it is was never a consideration.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:07 am to GrizzlyWintergreen
I can’t even follow it anymore.
I guess I was just hoping he wasn’t fired based on emotion given all that’s at stake, aside from hundreds of millions of dollars.
But nope. No plan.
Like filing for a divorce after an argument.
I guess I was just hoping he wasn’t fired based on emotion given all that’s at stake, aside from hundreds of millions of dollars.
But nope. No plan.
Like filing for a divorce after an argument.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:12 am to LSBoosie
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We know. He never asked for that and it is was never a consideration.
Well why is everyone saying we have no money if that was never an option. Again, 800 a month from a billionaire is nothing. They pay that without even looking at the checking account.
Read the board, 85% of people on here think that’s the case. Saying That’s why we’re poor. You know a lot about LSU, Boosie and I respect your perspectives, so I know YOU can see it. But that doesn’t mean the imbeciles see it.
And no they’re not bad business men. I said this is business what LSU is doing. If you look across the board, settlements are extraordinarily common in any field. Just bc it’s college football doesn’t mean it’s not a very large business enterprise.
My brother was on the BOS during the Saban and Les years. I know how this all works. And what people are saying is nothing but conjecture and assumptions bc of what LSU is doing. That doesn’t mean the booster has backed out or that he’s not going to be okay with 800k a month. But that’s the narrative being pushed.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:15 am to deathvalleytiger10
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How does one proceed when an employer responds to an offer by telling you they may be firing you with cause?
That’s a fantastic question, do we know that this happened?
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How do you continue to negotiate?
In Kelly’s case, the same way he started - by not negotiating at all.
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The employer stopped negotiations and basically threatens to fire with cause which would end any buyout.
I mean dude, we are not having the same conversation. Even if I knew what you said was true, I would need to know what the cause is that they are trying to claim, and when they actually first discussed it. I’m not simply taking one side’s fireball as gospel before the other side gets a chance to respond.
Can we at least consider the possibility that it’s not entirely accurate? Or maybe that they are trying to make a convincing argument that you have been completely convinced by?
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If the allegations made by Kelly are true,
What if they aren’t?
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I don't think LSU is playing hardball. I think LSU is playing stupid. You fired him very publicly. If they don't want to pay Kelly a higher lump sum, just tell him No, we will honor the original agreement, pay you over time and keep us informed of your job search.
I’m not sure they’ve had the opportunity to actually do that. LSU has not publicly said a thing other than what has happened. They fired him, said the terms are still being negotiated, and tried to negotiate. That’s what we actually know from LSU’s side.
Kelly’s reported $43M is not a serious offer, if it were the same terms as LSU’s $30M with an increased lump sum. That’s more favorable than what the buyout actually is. We don’t know when this may have been offered or declined. But either way, that’s not negotiating.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:23 am to OceanMan
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That’s a fantastic question, do we know that this happened?
I mean it's what BK's lawyers are alleging. But I Suppose they could be completely lying, however I believe that would be very easy to prove.
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In Kelly’s case, the same way he started - by not negotiating at all.
By all accounts, offers were made back and forth.
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Even if I knew what you said was true, I would need to know what the cause is that they are trying to claim
I believe that's what Brian Kelly's side is trying to figure out as well.
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What if they aren’t?
What parts do you think they are lying about?
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LSU has not publicly said a thing other than what has happened. They fired him
According to LSU, they haven't fired him.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:29 am to OceanMan
Ok, enough back and forth....
I simply made comments based on what has been put out in reports. If reports are wrong, my comments are incorrect.
You are making comments based your own thoughts about what happened or is happening. Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. However, you are not using anything other than your thoughts to argue your points.
The facts that we know are this...
LSU fired Kelly. (Or maybe not, LOL)
Some negotiations occurred and a settlement was not reached.
Kelly's team filed suit asking that it be determined if he was fired with or without cause. He did not file suit asking for payment.
If you dispute those facts, let us hear why.
The vast majority of people believe that at a minimum, if Kelly is filing a lawsuit just to determine if he was fired for cause or not, then LSU bungled this. You may not think that is the case, but most believe that.
I simply made comments based on what has been put out in reports. If reports are wrong, my comments are incorrect.
You are making comments based your own thoughts about what happened or is happening. Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. However, you are not using anything other than your thoughts to argue your points.
The facts that we know are this...
LSU fired Kelly. (Or maybe not, LOL)
Some negotiations occurred and a settlement was not reached.
Kelly's team filed suit asking that it be determined if he was fired with or without cause. He did not file suit asking for payment.
If you dispute those facts, let us hear why.
The vast majority of people believe that at a minimum, if Kelly is filing a lawsuit just to determine if he was fired for cause or not, then LSU bungled this. You may not think that is the case, but most believe that.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:34 am to deathvalleytiger10
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The facts that we know are this...
LSU fired Kelly.
At this point I've lost track of OceanMan's stance, but I think this is up for debate too. LSU thinks they're being cute by playing games and saying they "officially separated" but never sent a formal termination letter. People seem to think LSU can use it as a bargaining chip and hang the threat of termination for cause over his head (which seems legally dubious anyway), so Kelly's lawyers drew a line in the sand and said tell us if he's fired with or without cause. No more word games.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:35 am to deathvalleytiger10
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My posts have constantly said "if" Kelly's lawsuit is factual. I have been VERY clear on this.
No, you are not. That’s is not the premise of the thread and you wouldn’t argue this vehemently, if you didn’t believe it.
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You, on the other hand, have a stance that LSU is not, can not, and did not bumble this.
I have been very clear that I am not accepting Kelly’s lawsuit as fact, and therefore reject the premise that someone decided "hey lets try to job BK out of his contract", and that there is no one to put out to pasture. I do recognize that the lawsuit put him in a very strong bargaining position that has made LSU look bad.
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Posted that link earlier and have heard it on news reports.
It’s not a serious offer either way, and it seems to be omitted in the lawsuit, unlike LSU’s offers.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:46 am to LSBoosie
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By all accounts, offers were made back and forth.
What does it say in the lawsuit?
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I believe that's what Brian Kelly's side is trying to figure out as well.
No, they are saying that they cannot fire for cause because they didn’t bring it up initially.
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What parts do you think they are lying about?
I asked “what if they aren’t” because we don’t know that they are. So I don’t think someone at LSU should be “put out to pasture” for something alleged by someone trying to eliminate the floor of his contract negotiation.
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According to LSU, they haven't fired him.
When did LSU say this?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:47 am to Ingeniero
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Ingeniero
Agree with your post.. I edited LSU fired Kelly by adding (Or maybe not, LOL) , probably while you were responding.
The entire thought that LSU might be taking that stance is crazy.
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