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re: Who will admit O has exceeded expectations and is an upgrade from Les?

Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:56 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:56 pm to
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Now, try and tell me that ignoring half of the available data for Mettenberger isn’t cherry picking again. I’ll just keep laughing at all of you for being so terribly uninformed.


1st year = 1st year =|= cherrypicking no matter how many times you pretend it is

Burrow doesn't have a second year to compare yet. The fair method would be comparing similar situations

It may not be what you want to compare, but it's in no way cherry picking.

Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:56 pm to
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Not at all. It's a fact that Emory is more talented than CEH or Brosette.


Come on Roger...this is bad.

He's never played against elite talent. We have no facts to support what you're saying. Solely opinion... Albeit it can't be a 'fact'
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299428 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:58 pm to
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He's never played against elite talent.


He's more talented, period. His skill set is far more extensive. Brosette was never a feature back, was forced to be only because the talent pool at RB was so low
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:59 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52191 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:58 pm to
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1st year = 1st year =|= cherrypicking no matter how many times you pretend it is


It’s the literal meaning Roger.

quote:

Burrow doesn't have a second year to compare yet. The fair method would be comparing similar situations


Irrelevant.

quote:

It may not be what you want to compare, but it's in no way cherry picking.


Again Roger, it’s the very meaning of the phrase.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52191 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:01 pm to
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.


^^^

Educate yourselves.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299428 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:05 pm to
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It’s the literal meaning Roger


Only if you look at complete seasons as incomplete data. They aren't. Burrow doesn't have another season to compare.

Comparing each first season is logical since Burrow hasn't played but the first season.

Now, if Burrow gets worse, and following the season we are still using season one, that's cherry picked. There's a larger pool we are ignoring
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52191 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:06 pm to
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Comparing each first season is logical since Burrow hasn't played but the first season.


I.e. cherry picking.

quote:

There's a larger pool we are ignoring


You’re already ignoring 13 games of data.

You’re not even arguing with me anymore. You're arguing against the definition of the phrase. I’m just going to leave you to it.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 11:10 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299428 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:09 pm to
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You’re already ignoring 13 games of data.


No, because it's an uneven comparison

If a rookie QB and a 10 year veteran have exactly the same season, which team would be happier with their QB?

There's nothing wrong comparing year/year

This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 11:11 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52191 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:10 pm to
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No, because it's an uneven comparison


Irrelevant. Keep arguing against that meaning though Roger.



Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:11 pm to
In sports we constantly see players freshmen, soph, rookie etc years compared to other players before them. It’s done all the time. Whether it be how many majors Tiger won by age 30 or what pace Mike Trout is on compared to hall of gamers before him. Now all of a sudden it’s cherry picking
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299428 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:13 pm to
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Irrelevant


Absolutely not. Comparing each first season is logical and practical. You may not like it but it's it is.

In doing so, I can't claim Burrow is the better QB, just had a better season
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:15 pm to
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All QBs improve with experience.
did
Jordan Jefferson get better from Soph to Senior year? Brandon Harris from year to year?

Not all QBs make the jump that mett did from jr to Sr years. If burrow does, good for him...but its a HUGE assumption that burrow will throw for 3k and have metts 3rd down conversion pct, which is what made him so lethal in 2013.

We can only hope...but it's FAR from certain
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:21 pm to
Burrow had a better JR year...mett, at this point in time, is/was a better QB for LSU.

Pretty simple stuff.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299428 posts
Posted on 5/1/19 at 11:30 pm to
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Burrow had a better JR year...mett, at this point in time, is/was a better QB for LSU


Can't argue with that.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 12:54 am to
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I’m sure you and RB will disagree bc I’m saying it but had CLM given Mett more snaps in 2011 he would’ve developed quicker in 2012. We blew tons of teams out and our coaches wasted opportunities to develop Mett that year. He really didn’t start putting it all together until the 2012 Bama game.



I agree with you about this Trout. Mett should have gotten more reps than he did that year.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108686 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:14 am to
This is an ironborn thread right here.

Posted by radicalizedtigah
Member since Aug 2016
3495 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:22 am to
Forever LSU
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:37 am to
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Freshman as NFL talent......




I'm out guys I can only handle so much of your football ignorance at once. The only one of you retards that understands football in the discussion is Rb and 1st cut





Where did all of this talent that O inherited get drafted?

Wouldn't this have been a year that all of that talent went into the NFL?

Where's all of the talent that you've been assuring us is on the team.

This isn't even about football knowledge something you like to bring up. It's about basic math. I guess they don't teach arithmetic at Duke.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52191 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:40 am to
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Burrow had a better JR year...mett, at this point in time, is/was a better QB for LSU.

Pretty simple stuff.


Right?
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:44 am to
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No. They dont. My God. Right after I give you props for not being Rodger or trout you say this shite.


Wait, now you’re back to experience doesn’t matter? You’ve gone full circle!

Were you a better physicist in your first year after Duke or your second year? Every person in any vocation get better with experience.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 6:55 am
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