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Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:21 pm to steadytiger
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The question is who was the worst speller/user of the English language on Tiber Droppings? That would be you Chill Pill. The correct use of the English language is "who was the worst, not worse."
If you're going to try to be the grammar police, make sure you're right. Chill Pill asked us to compare two people, so worse is used properly. If he had asked who the all-time worst LSU coach was, you would be correct. Unfortunately for you, that's not what he asked, so your correction has been corrected.
Also, "grammer" is spelled grammar.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:36 pm to BhamTigah
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If you're going to try to be the grammar police, make sure you're right. Chill Pill asked us to compare two people, so worse is used properly. If he had asked who the all-time worst LSU coach was, you would be correct. Unfortunately for you, that's not what he asked, so your correction has been corrected.
Also, "grammer" is spelled grammar.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:43 pm to Chill Pill
Hallman with the quickness. Thats what the sorority girls said about him too
Posted on 6/30/09 at 2:07 pm to danfraz
Smoke helped Bertman build LSU baseball. He was Known for being one of the top recruiters in college baseball. He just didn't put it together when he was the head coach. But Smoke did alot for LSU baseball.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 2:10 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Arnsparger didn't recruit one lick.
Well, a lot of talent showed up on the doorstep in the '84, '85, & '86, so somebody was recruiting. After that, everything went to shite.
There was a lot of infighting over the program amongst Brodhead & Arnsparger, Archer was clueless, the whole athletics program at LSU starting losing the big money "arms race" around the country, and the whole program just fell to pieces.
Hallman was a joke, but at least he stopped the bleeding regarding talent.
DiNardo was an excellent hire given the situation, and had a great recruiting start from the get-go. There was nobody else LSU could have gotten at that time who could have turned the program around that quickly. Back in 1994, people were wondering if LSU was just a lost cause for all eternity. That changed real quick, and DiNardo had the team nationally ranked from 1995 to 1998, which is pretty good for a program that hadn't bean ranked since 1989.
Brady, at the time, seemed like a decent hire to me given the situation, despite not knowing his X's and O's for shite. But I don't know basketball very well, so I won't argue this point.
Smoke Laval was a slightly above average coach, who had no idea about how to manage a major college baseball program. His recruiting strategy sucked balls. It's sort of regrettable to say that a coach who had the best SEC record in the conference for his 5 years of coaching was so bad, but it's true. He ran the talent into the ground.
Just my two cents on all this, I could be wrong...
Posted on 6/30/09 at 2:14 pm to Chill Pill
This not a very thought provoking question. It is easily Curley Hallman. He seemed to recruit OK , but is it that hard to recruit a decent class in Louisiana? He was an awful coach.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:07 pm to DocBugbear
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Good or bad, our coaches all did the best they could, and they all played a part in putting us where we are now.
...To everyone that has ever coached at LSU
ARE YOU frickING KIDDING?!?!?!
Podnuh, I can tell you right now, that Hudson was a complete worthless/ignorant bastard. He was the worst single desicion ever made by an AD at LSU. And, I know this from the inside.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:09 pm to Doc Fenton
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Hallman was a joke, but at least he stopped the bleeding regarding talent.
to the contrary, he slashed LSU's throat.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:16 pm to CharlesLSU
Wow. Speaking of Hallman:
"Today Hallman is a physical education teacher at McBride Elementary School in Muscle Shoals" LINK
"Today Hallman is a physical education teacher at McBride Elementary School in Muscle Shoals" LINK
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:18 pm to steadytiger
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The question is who was the worst speller/user of the English language on Tiber Droppings? That would be you Chill Pill. The correct use of the English language is "who was the worst, not worse."
Now go bsck to grammer school and learn yo grammer.
I believe my pods have properly defended my honor. "Worse" is the correct term when comparing two individuals. Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:25 pm to gjackx
CURLEY NO DOUGHT!!
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:03 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Smoke the Joke was the absolute worst. He was all sizzle & no steak (no pun intended).
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:43 pm to Chill Pill
curly Hallman in a landslide
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:56 pm to pttigris
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I give you the King of Suckage, the incomparable, and unforgivable, Joe Dean.
We have a winner!
Posted on 6/30/09 at 7:19 pm to HeadSlash
While Smoke was hardly Mainieri, he was not the baseball Curly Hallman. Can we just let the guy fade into the past? He did win an SEC title and go to Omaha twice.
Did the program slide under him? Absolutely. Was his recruiting gutted by the draft each year, a lesson he never learned? Yup. Was he a terrible salesman of the program, keeping fans away from the Box? His biggest flaw.
But he wasn't a horrible coach, just a guy who saw the game of college baseball change and was unable to deal with it. Essentially, the rest of the SEC caught up, and he didn't know how to deal with the new environment.
But Curly was an absolutely horrid coach. I don't know how anyone who lived through the Hallman years could even have this discussion. I still remember a game when I was an undergrad in which he punted near midfield down by about four or five with three minutes left and one timeout. It was such an unbelievably awful job of game management that the other team put out the four three defense instead of a regular coverage unit becuase no one could be so stupid as to punt in that situation.
And Amadee can rot in hell. I have never hated a coach more than I hate that guy for the way he hung Jamie Howard out to dry.
Did the program slide under him? Absolutely. Was his recruiting gutted by the draft each year, a lesson he never learned? Yup. Was he a terrible salesman of the program, keeping fans away from the Box? His biggest flaw.
But he wasn't a horrible coach, just a guy who saw the game of college baseball change and was unable to deal with it. Essentially, the rest of the SEC caught up, and he didn't know how to deal with the new environment.
But Curly was an absolutely horrid coach. I don't know how anyone who lived through the Hallman years could even have this discussion. I still remember a game when I was an undergrad in which he punted near midfield down by about four or five with three minutes left and one timeout. It was such an unbelievably awful job of game management that the other team put out the four three defense instead of a regular coverage unit becuase no one could be so stupid as to punt in that situation.
And Amadee can rot in hell. I have never hated a coach more than I hate that guy for the way he hung Jamie Howard out to dry.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 8:20 pm to Baloo
Doc Fenton as I have pointed out on this forum many times.....
there is little or near no talent coming out of Louisiana the years Archer is the coach. Archer was the driving force behind Bill's recruiting his last 2 years at LSU.
Fact: Bill hated to recruit.
Fact: No recruit form Louisiana signing out of state in the Archer years made All American elsewhere.
Fact: Archer only lost 2 recruits in state LSU was after hard, Michael Carr and Barron Jackson if I remember correct.
Barron was a big lose due to our weakness in the secondary at the time.
Fact: Prop 48 destoryed our recruiting base and which tooks years to change. Louisiana class of 91 is the first very good class in 5 years.
Curly had a whos who of football and only could get 50% of them to LSU, and losing Jenkins cost use 5 DL that would have came if he had been kept on staff. That does not count the RB's we lost to San Diego State, FSU or the other position players.
Curly's list of recruits lost are a whos who of college football.
Now also remember the board would not let Archer recruit juco to fill needs. Only one player came form juco and he was close on grades out of high school.
there is little or near no talent coming out of Louisiana the years Archer is the coach. Archer was the driving force behind Bill's recruiting his last 2 years at LSU.
Fact: Bill hated to recruit.
Fact: No recruit form Louisiana signing out of state in the Archer years made All American elsewhere.
Fact: Archer only lost 2 recruits in state LSU was after hard, Michael Carr and Barron Jackson if I remember correct.
Barron was a big lose due to our weakness in the secondary at the time.
Fact: Prop 48 destoryed our recruiting base and which tooks years to change. Louisiana class of 91 is the first very good class in 5 years.
Curly had a whos who of football and only could get 50% of them to LSU, and losing Jenkins cost use 5 DL that would have came if he had been kept on staff. That does not count the RB's we lost to San Diego State, FSU or the other position players.
Curly's list of recruits lost are a whos who of college football.
Now also remember the board would not let Archer recruit juco to fill needs. Only one player came form juco and he was close on grades out of high school.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:58 pm to tigger1
Who was the running back from St Aug that was senior and made all-ACC for Florida State's national title team in 1993?
He would have signed with them during the Archer era, and we can't exactly say he flew under the radar, given that he signed with Florida State. Also, didn't Colorado have a lot of Louisiana players on their national title team in 1990? These players would have signed during the Archer era as well.
The fact that none of them made All-American is absolutely irrelevant. What does this mean? Of the teams that win national titles every year, how many All-Americans are on each team? 3-4? If the talent Archer was signing was inferior to that of other programs, it doesn't matter how many players we missed out on made All-American.
The bottom line is that Archer was losing players whom other elite programs deemed valuable enough to recruit, and would have (and in Florida State's case, did) beat Archer's teams made of inferior recruits whom were simply not good enough to compete at a high level in the SEC.
I am not sure about the X's and O's aspect, but it's a stretch to say Hallman was that much worse a program manager than Archer, because Archer had the luxury of inheriting solid SEC talent, which deteriorated under his watch. We did see that when the talent was gone, Archer's records were as bad as Hallman's.
Prop 48 may very well have been a factor in this, but it's just one of several with Archer... not the least of which was that he could not control his players, who did not respect him. It was just a bad situation... I'm not one of the ones who harps on the Spurrier thing because he was not a proven commodity at the time either, but Archer was way too young to be given the LSU head coaching job. It's unfortunate, because he seems like a good guy. He hasn't gotten a head coaching job since; it's a shame that the LSU experience might have set back his coaching career.
It's hard to compare Hallman and Archer, because they coached under totally different circumstances. Both proved themselves incapable of building, or even maintaining, the LSU program. It's a wash to me.
Laval is slightly above both, but then again, who knows how bad it could have gotten had he been allowed to stay.
He would have signed with them during the Archer era, and we can't exactly say he flew under the radar, given that he signed with Florida State. Also, didn't Colorado have a lot of Louisiana players on their national title team in 1990? These players would have signed during the Archer era as well.
The fact that none of them made All-American is absolutely irrelevant. What does this mean? Of the teams that win national titles every year, how many All-Americans are on each team? 3-4? If the talent Archer was signing was inferior to that of other programs, it doesn't matter how many players we missed out on made All-American.
The bottom line is that Archer was losing players whom other elite programs deemed valuable enough to recruit, and would have (and in Florida State's case, did) beat Archer's teams made of inferior recruits whom were simply not good enough to compete at a high level in the SEC.
I am not sure about the X's and O's aspect, but it's a stretch to say Hallman was that much worse a program manager than Archer, because Archer had the luxury of inheriting solid SEC talent, which deteriorated under his watch. We did see that when the talent was gone, Archer's records were as bad as Hallman's.
Prop 48 may very well have been a factor in this, but it's just one of several with Archer... not the least of which was that he could not control his players, who did not respect him. It was just a bad situation... I'm not one of the ones who harps on the Spurrier thing because he was not a proven commodity at the time either, but Archer was way too young to be given the LSU head coaching job. It's unfortunate, because he seems like a good guy. He hasn't gotten a head coaching job since; it's a shame that the LSU experience might have set back his coaching career.
It's hard to compare Hallman and Archer, because they coached under totally different circumstances. Both proved themselves incapable of building, or even maintaining, the LSU program. It's a wash to me.
Laval is slightly above both, but then again, who knows how bad it could have gotten had he been allowed to stay.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:50 pm to Carlos
Carlos, this post is right on target. I know there was a stud RB from St Aug in the mid-late 80's named Leroy Hoard. I believe he went to Michigan and played in the NFL.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 12:33 am to LSU92
If you think about Brett Favre ruined LSU football in the early 90's
He made Curly look good at USM
He made Curly look good at USM
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