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re: Who says we cant get someone better than Miles? Coaches with better winning...
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:29 pm to jamboybarry
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:29 pm to jamboybarry
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You can't blast Miles for his record here and not include it when putting him up head to head against other coaches.
Again, you're missing the point. When Miles was hired by LSU he had a .57 winning percentage.
One would expect us to find or be able to find at least someone comparable.
I listed 70 who have better totals than before Miles was hired....you know, in the same boat when Miles was hired.
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:30 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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1. More of those coaches aren't at elite programs or they are the coaches responsible for making those teams elite.
Miles made OkieState, elite?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:30 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I think Graham would be a great choice to replace miles. I lean back on Schiano first though because he has been successful, made the jump the NFL and failed so he is likely to turn into the next Saban at the right program.
well I always wondered what the hell made schiano attractive to the NFL. he coached at Rutgers?? I don't see him becoming a saban
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:31 pm to CptBengal
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Again, you're missing the point. When Miles was hired by LSU he had a .57 winning percentage. One would expect us to find or be able to find at least someone comparable. I listed 70 who have better totals than before Miles was hired....you know, in the same boat when Miles was hired.
I'm not missing the point, I'm telling you it's not telling the whole story. Miles moved up to teh SEC and increased his win % from OK State. That needs to be in the mix if we are to give a fair shake to the could have beens (even though we won't)
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:31 pm to 68wDoc68w
Pumpers always wanna sell fear.
Nick Saban and Les Miles weren't quite "Nick Saban and Les Miles" before LSU..sure they were both doing great things at Lil Brother State.
There are future Urban Meyers out there, they may not all come out of a MAC stint per se(Saban, Meyer). But, Jim McElwain, Justin Fuente,etc..are waiting on that bigtime platform.
Sure, Saban's Browns stint, Toledo yr, and MSU building, all pointed to what we see today. And Miles OSU 2-2 vs OU, and warring vs Tex before being overrun, hinted at'what if?' in regards to a larger platform. But, they were both bowl losers, with their teams getting smashed in bowl play, they both worked under Lil Bro limitations.
The platform counts much more in the equation than the fear sellers will ever want to admit. Fear of moving on based on other's failed bad hires and circumstances, apples and oranges, they all have differing minutiae and story lines.
Tenn and Mich and Neb died? Where's the in-state talent? Texas and Fla and USC died? Bad hires and/or let weak HCs stay too long, while their in-state competitors made better hires and took advantage.
Nick Saban and Les Miles weren't quite "Nick Saban and Les Miles" before LSU..sure they were both doing great things at Lil Brother State.
There are future Urban Meyers out there, they may not all come out of a MAC stint per se(Saban, Meyer). But, Jim McElwain, Justin Fuente,etc..are waiting on that bigtime platform.
Sure, Saban's Browns stint, Toledo yr, and MSU building, all pointed to what we see today. And Miles OSU 2-2 vs OU, and warring vs Tex before being overrun, hinted at'what if?' in regards to a larger platform. But, they were both bowl losers, with their teams getting smashed in bowl play, they both worked under Lil Bro limitations.
The platform counts much more in the equation than the fear sellers will ever want to admit. Fear of moving on based on other's failed bad hires and circumstances, apples and oranges, they all have differing minutiae and story lines.
Tenn and Mich and Neb died? Where's the in-state talent? Texas and Fla and USC died? Bad hires and/or let weak HCs stay too long, while their in-state competitors made better hires and took advantage.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:31 pm to 68wDoc68w
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he coached at Rutgers?? I don't see him becoming a saban
he made Rutgers relevant
Rutgers
but I wouldn't want Schiano, by all accounts that guy is a headcase
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:33 pm to CptBengal
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I listed 70 who have better totals than before Miles was hired....you know, in the same boat when Miles was hired.
Now cull down that list to those in power six conferences and if possible then cull that down to schools that are second tier within their own state. then if you can find one that had only one winning season within the previous decade before their arrival that would be even better.
That is if you are actually trying to be honest with your argument.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:35 pm to Duke
the line between a shite bowl and missing a bowl isn't that great. I don't believe LSU is at any great risk of becoming early 90s terrible for too long.
IMO Miles is done winning and competing for championships, last year we were stacked and he shite the bed. This year wasn't suppose to be great but now we are starring down 7-5 and our offense being as bad as ever.
LSU isn't going to become Tennessee or Nebraska. We are threatening to become Texas.
Tennesse and the huskers both thought they could improve, they made the correct move to fire a coach that wasn't going to win another title. They messed up the pick after and they also rely on out of state recruiting as a life blood.
LSU like Texas can win with a correct coach and controlling instate recruiting. It should insulate both from long term fails like other programs.
My other reason for believing the LSU athletics isn't in danger of falling off because of one bad hire is the TAF. The cost of athletics and the revenue it produces is so large that failure wont be tolerated for long.
IMO Miles is done winning and competing for championships, last year we were stacked and he shite the bed. This year wasn't suppose to be great but now we are starring down 7-5 and our offense being as bad as ever.
LSU isn't going to become Tennessee or Nebraska. We are threatening to become Texas.
Tennesse and the huskers both thought they could improve, they made the correct move to fire a coach that wasn't going to win another title. They messed up the pick after and they also rely on out of state recruiting as a life blood.
LSU like Texas can win with a correct coach and controlling instate recruiting. It should insulate both from long term fails like other programs.
My other reason for believing the LSU athletics isn't in danger of falling off because of one bad hire is the TAF. The cost of athletics and the revenue it produces is so large that failure wont be tolerated for long.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:36 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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before coming to LSU
What the frick is the point of this?
Maybe the advantages of coaching at LSU have a hell of a lot to do with Miles success? Maybe LSU made Miles as much as Miles is responsible for LSUs success?
Gerry fricking Dinardo had 9 and 10 win seasons at LSU before he made and stuck with a horrible DC hire.
I don't think it's time to fire Miles yet, but I also have little hope of winning any championship with him ever again. But if Miles were to leave I wouldn't be upset about risking a bad hire and trying again in 4 yrs over watching meaningless bowl games until Miles decides to retire in Lord knows how long.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:38 pm to 68wDoc68w
He put Rutgers back on the map. They were nothing for a long time and he turned them into a pretty consistent winner. The articles about him taking his time off to study the successful teams makes me believe he is in a position to become a great coach again. I don't think he can run off the same success as saban but he could at least get close. He isn't likely to leave his next job for the NFL since he has failed at that once.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:41 pm to Alatgr
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don't think it's time to fire Miles yet, but I also have little hope of winning any championship with him ever again. But if Miles were to leave I wouldn't be upset about risking a bad hire and trying again in 4 yrs over watching meaningless bowl games until Miles decides to retire in Lord knows how long.
Come the frick on, you're willing to give up being competitive for a possible 4 year failed experiment?
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:45 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I think it's time for a change myself. The problem with continuing to wait until it gets worse is that you've wasted another year or two of time that could have been used to start the rebuilding process with a new coach. I'm really tired of underperforming with the talent that we have!
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:46 pm to CptBengal
I keep seeing that success is measured in championships. Why haven't the majority of those guys won one?
LSU isn't the only school that recruits well and has nice facilities. They are a team though that plays in the toughest division every year against the best coaches in college. So if some of those guys can't win while playing a pussy schedule, what makes you think them being at LSU changes that?
LSU isn't the only school that recruits well and has nice facilities. They are a team though that plays in the toughest division every year against the best coaches in college. So if some of those guys can't win while playing a pussy schedule, what makes you think them being at LSU changes that?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:47 pm to dgnx6
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So if some of those guys can't win while playing a pussy schedule, what makes you think them being at LSU changes that?
Miles didnt either before he came here.
fail.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:50 pm to heartbreakTiger
Schiano's story has largely already been told, even if but so old. His demeanor not a right fit at an LSU, nor bigtime national platform recruiting imho. He may well be a great guy, and love his players, but like Coughlin, seemed to have an Eastern seaboard weather facial expression, both coached college up there, both went Pro. Don't see him a good southern fit.
McElwain, Fuente,etc..with their 'making the bigtime/becoming a household brand' days still ahead of them.
McElwain, Fuente,etc..with their 'making the bigtime/becoming a household brand' days still ahead of them.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:51 pm to CptBengal
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all 70 on the list?
Am i supposed to go through all 70?
There are plenty of examples of people that are in no what analogous to Les Miles at Oklahoma State.
you have people who walked into programs at Oregon, and Stanford.
People who shite the big the last time the helmed a major program (Rich Rodriguez)
But honestly it is just a shitty concept.
Les was at Oklahoma State for 4 years.
The last coach went 30-38, Les went 28-21. OSU hat 1 winning season in the last 12 years when Les Miles go there and he took them to 3 and helped spring board them to relevance.
He did a good job at a shite school, and it doesn't really matter because he has the Highest Winning percentage in LSU history. So thats all that matters when you think of replacing him.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:51 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Come the frick on, you're willing to give up being competitive for a possible 4 year failed experiment?
Yeah. I'd like the chance of winning something again over being a perpetual also ran.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:53 pm to CptBengal
Have you ever thought maybe just maybe, we made the rt hire at the time? That Les is actually a good coach?
Or that he won with sabans players? Sabans players are ling gone. The next guy will be winning with Les' players. And since Les is an idiot it will take the new guy a few years to rid this program of anything Les has touched.
Or that he won with sabans players? Sabans players are ling gone. The next guy will be winning with Les' players. And since Les is an idiot it will take the new guy a few years to rid this program of anything Les has touched.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:53 pm to Alatgr
So playing for the NC once every 5 years isn't good enough? You realize other teams are good too, right?
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