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re: Who here is confident in Chavis?

Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:47 pm to
I am. We need to get more pressure from our D-line. Next year we will also be starting some new LBers. I'll give the man time to build a defense.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:49 pm to
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So from what your saying we get killed in T.O.P because of the defense? And it has nothing to do with the offense going 3 and out or starting with a short field and only come away with field goals. Yeah let's totally blame the D after our opponents points per game average was like 15! Go back under your rock.

The other team doesn't score much because Lsu lets them dip and dunk but prevents the big play. How many times did you see Lsu on like 3rd and five show blitz and blitz all the guys but the corners and safeties are playing way back.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4516 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:49 pm to
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I'm starting to wonder if the DL is just a matter of what Les himself likes to do with his DL rather than a lack of talent.



The answer is simple.

We missed on several recruits over the last couple of years, and its showing now. The high star ratings in HS have not translated to the college game. Some of it is coaching I believe, but I also believe that LSU is nowhere near as talented on both lines of scrimmage as most on here think.

Getting beat one on one vs the likes of La Tech is inexcusable. It shouldnt take a coaching genius to teach a 5 star lineman at LSU how to beat his opponent at La Tech. Most of these guys simply arent as good as we have been led to believe.

From what I read on here, I think I am in the minority with my beliefs, but I stand by them.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:52 pm to
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I know it is a improvement from last year but Lsu gets killed on time of possession.

You do understand that the time of possession has more to do with an inept offense than the defense, right? The Tigers averaged roughly five 3-and-outs per game. That had a lot to do with the D being worn out late in games and surrendering more yardage in the 4th quarter than the first. Also better Dline play will be necessary for Chavis' scheme to really take hold. Getting more of a push and speeding up the opposing qb's pocket clock will make a world of difference.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161674 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:52 pm to
last year's DL class was an impressive haul I'd hope we start to see some of their faces next season

Pep Livingston does not need to be out there.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:52 pm to
I wouldn't be bringing up this question if it didn't happen at Tennessee.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:54 pm to
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You do understand that the time of possession has more to do with an inept offense than the defense, right? The Tigers averaged roughly five 3-and-outs per game. That had a lot to do with the D being worn out late in games and surrendering more yardage in the 4th quarter than the first. Also better Dline play will be necessary for Chavis' scheme to really take hold. Getting more of a push and speeding up the opposing qb's pocket clock will make a world of difference.

With this also you can credit the offense getting less points because of field position and less plays. Im hopeful that its just a d line problem.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65111 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:54 pm to
He had a real good year as far as points scored,but why can't we get to the QB. It seems we have no blitz design that can fool anyone,so its not all on D-line,though they showed the least improvement.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10694 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:54 pm to
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requires far more energy to play defense in general...imo, our biggest problems were on offense this year...too many three and outs (poor play calling, ineffective OL, immature QB)

if we cut down on three and outs, the defense is better rested and more able to make big plays...


Yeah, it would be quite different if LSU was scoring a lot of TD's quickly and the D could take a lot more chances as well. The lack of O had to factor into Chavis' D scheme for any given game, I think he is plenty good enough if matched with a decent O that could maintain TOP close to half of the game and score 24 or more for a margin of error for the D. The D did a great job vs PSU based on what the O did to them field position-wise numerous times.

Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:55 pm to
It was an improvement over last year, but there were some glaring weaknesses. Inability to get off the field on 3rd down and zero pressure on the QB were the big begatives - improved LB play and not giving up 100+ points to UGA and FLA were the high points.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:56 pm to
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Just mix in some pressure once in a while, and for the love of God, disguise a blitz every now and then. I'll admit, I'm not an expert, I don't know, but it just seems like that's what I've been seeing.



No, you're not an expert. LSU's D does bring extra guys and disguise blitzes. The biggest problem with the defense is it's a little young and the DL was mediocre. This attritubuted to the lack of third down stops and long drives by opposing offenses. It's a stellar improvement from last year when teams were ripping off 80 yard plays on us all year long.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:57 pm to
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No, you're not an expert. LSU's D does bring extra guys and disguise blitzes. The biggest problem with the defense is it's a little young and the DL was mediocre. This attritubuted to the lack of third down stops and long drives by opposing offenses. It's a stellar improvement from last year when teams were ripping off 80 yard plays on us all year long.

I agree with you there its nice to know the defensive players know what they are doing most of the time
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 2:58 pm
Posted by cardee2003
Baton Rouge/Tacoma,WA
Member since Jan 2009
2633 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:03 pm to
I am very confident in Chavis. He has only been in our program for one season but and has done a great job. Our D Line has sucked a season it is obvious that it's the personal. Next season I think we will find the right lineman and we will be back on point.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8082 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:03 pm to
On defense I'd just like to see a better performance out of the D-Line. Other than that, the D's biggest problem was the number of 3 and outs that kept them on the field so much.
Posted by ps101
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2005
2194 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:06 pm to
Florida could run the quarter back option dive play all night this year against LSU and the defense could not stop it. In fact in 2007 Miles was forced to go for it on multiple 4th down conversions because LSU could not stop Florida's offense all game. LSU has not had aggressive defense since Saban left. I did not like the defense that Pelini ran very much either-- Arkansas loss in OT with Dick throwing on a 4th and 10 will LSU in a soft defense with no pressure on the QB.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4516 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:10 pm to
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improved LB play and not giving up 100+ points to UGA and FLA were the high points.



This is true...but dont kid yourself. Florida could have scored 60 on us if they wanted to. They came in, ran dive after dive for 5 yds a pop, ran the clock, down and went home. Had LSU had the offensive game of their lives and scored 40 that game, Florida would have scored 45. Florida TOYED with us. It was comical, actually.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:12 pm to
It seems like this defense is made for not allowing the big plays and hoping the other teams qb is not accurate on his throws.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4516 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:13 pm to
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In fact in 2007 Miles was forced to go for it on multiple 4th down conversions because LSU could not stop Florida's offense all game.


LSU was 5-5 on fourth down in that game if memory serves me correctly.

Now, how many of those were on the final game winning drive? 3 I think? Maybe 4? Either way, we went for it those times because We HAD to. Not because we didnt think we could stop Florida or because Miles was "gambling" as some like to say. We HAD to do it. It was a no-brainer.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168432 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:25 pm to
yeah man i really wonder about our dline. think back to 05-07 the dline's were pretty good then, we had this years talent last year plus tyson, pittman, rjf and tremaine johnson, yet they were pretty mediocre most of the time. think last year was down to terrible coaching with mallveto and lane, i mean i hope brick does a good job for us but our line was pretty average at best most of the time. i thought charles alexander had his best game of the season against penn st. alem disappointed, nevis will be a star next year, woods never got it going but wasn't terrible, aghayere and edwards look like good ones. hope downs gets more snaps next year and brockers and montgomery get in the rotation, if not let montgomery play fricking basketball.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 3:40 pm to
We were ranked 12th in the nation in scoring defense, all without the benefit of a pass rush. The job of a defense is to prevent scoring, something at which this defense excelled. Considering that the defense did this with some of the components looking poor (cough) (d line) (cough), I’m extremely confident in next year’s defense.

Without any improvement, our defense is one of the best in the nation. And I think Chavis will likely improve the unit. He’s not getting nearly enough credit. Bitching about the TOP from the 12th ranked scoring defense is just looking for something to bitch about.

You really think we don’t have enough ACTUAL problems on this team that we wouldn’t need to be inventing crap to worry about. Time of possession is not a stat which correlates to winning. Scoring is.
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