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Who had better QB Play: Saban, Miles or Orgeron?

Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1322 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:49 pm
You might be surprised.

Saban '00-'04 - Avg QBR = 133.1
Miles '05-'16 - Avg QBR = 136.1
Orgeron '16* - Avg QBR = 140.9
*8 games

TD:INT Ratio
Saban = 1.8:1
Miles = 2.0:1
Orgeron = 2.0:1

YPP
Saban = 5.7 yds
Miles = 5.8 yds
Orgeron = 7.1 yds

This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65825 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:54 pm to
Orgeron very limited sample size and extremely down SEC schedule

How was the qb play vs Alabama and Florida in comparison

The SEC was really down

Hopefully it continues
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23057 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

better QB Play:
that's a very subjective phrase
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10011 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:09 pm to
The only thing that matters is we haven't had consistent QB development since Jimbo left. Until that's fixed, LSU will continue to fall behind the nation's elite.

The game has changed a tremendous amount over the last 15 years, so you aren't comparing apples to apples using only one stat.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22773 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:17 pm to
How did Saban win a NC every year he was here if those stats are true?
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Orgeron '16* - Avg QBR = 140.9


Are you fricking high?
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32490 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

The SEC was really down

It was down when Saban was at LSU. Won the SEC west with 3 losses. That's not happening anymore.

quote:

How was the qb play vs Alabama and Florida in comparison

Etling played well enough to win the Florida game.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84646 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Orgeron '16* - Avg QBR = 140.9


Are you fricking high?





Are you questioning the number? If so, it's accurate from Missouri through the bowl game.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19044 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:09 pm to
There is an old saying that goes "figures lie and liars figure" meaning dont believe everything you see because the data can make something appear it is not.
Orgeron data is too small a sample size to compare to the others...
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:15 pm to
Face it, this has not been a strength for LSU this century. Arguably their best QBs at LSU were recruited by there predecessors as head coach. These are the 6 QBs that have made an NFL roster from LSU this century and 3 were recruited by Dinardo. Craig Nall, Rohan Davey, Josh Booty, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, and Mett. A couple of guys made it for awhile at other positions and maybe a couple of others made a practice squad for a brief time.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65825 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:27 pm to
Thanks

I was genuinely asking btw

Still very small size but hope it gets better

Geaux Tigers!!
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1322 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Are you fricking high?


clearly, you don't like the stats.
but it's not just Etling's QBR over the 8 games, but the offensive yards per play.
i agree with others that it's a small sample size, but still the results are going in the right direction. I expect that we'll see that continue under Canada.
you don't have to like the numbers, but they are what they are.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3201 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:17 pm to
quote:


Orgeron '16* - Avg QBR = 140.9
Orgeron = 2.0:1
Orgeron = 7.1 yds



He did it with Miles players...



Sorry couldn't help myself...
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6887 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:32 pm to
No consistent QB development since Jimbo was here is true.

Isn't that a big reason that Canada was hired?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46624 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Orgeron very limited sample size and extremely down SEC schedule


The sec west was absolutely shite when saban was at lsu. He coached against 1 sec west team that finished top 10.
Thats right during Saban's tenure at lsu only 1 other sec west team finished top 10.
During his entire tenure at lsu there were only 2 sec west programs to win 10 games. 03 ole miss and 04 auburn.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46624 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

The only thing that matters is we haven't had consistent QB development since Jimbo left


Where are all these programs with consistent good qb play?
Bama and UGA under RICHT.
quote:

The game has changed a tremendous amount over the last 15 years, so you aren't comparing apples to apples using only one stat


No it hasn't. The only thing changed is more teams running simple spread offenses.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

You might be surprised.


Nope. Nothing that the bullshite QBR stat comes up with surprises me. If it's not the most useless stat in sports, it's pretty damned close.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

The SEC was really down

It was down when Saban was at LSU. Won the SEC west with 3 losses.


The SEC wasn't down that year, but the SEC West was. Florida and Tennessee both finished that season in the top 4 in the polls. Those were two of our three losses. Oddly, LSU beat Tennessee (in the SECCG) and Auburn beat Florida, although both LSU and Auburn lost three games each.
This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36781 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:31 pm to
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