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re: Who else besides Kelly should have been hired four years ago?
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:01 am to RB10
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:01 am to RB10
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Stop using hindsight. The top candidates were:
Lincoln Riley
Mel Tucker
Lane Kiffin
Jimbo Fischer
Billy Napier
those were the top candidates according to the rant and I guess maybe Woodward. In reality ND, Alabama, Oregon, and A&M all found better coaches that cycle by not being hung up on the "big splash" criteria. It's not about hindsight. It's that the previous search was lazy and only sought to win the press conference: a mistake many would repeat this cycle with Kiffin. In reality there's another Lanning, Elko, Deboer, Cignetti, Freeman group out there if our committee puts in the effort to look beyond the obvious names
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:03 am to OldManRiver
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So the alternate reality is we get Napier. Not being in the playoffs and "elite" has sucked for the last 4 years, but its damn sure better than being a UF fan has
Napier would've done as good if not better than Kelly here
LSU has/had better infrastructure than Florida, Woodward for all his faults would have provided more resources
Napier was already recruiting LA and would have kept Raymond and hired a better DC
Napier also would have worked 5x harder than Kelly
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:04 am to Mike da Tigah
Hindsight tells a different story, but Kelly seemed ok at the time.
The hire wasn't the problem, the contract was. As I said in the other thread, 10 year contracts are stupid when success can be proven in less than half of that. Let the coach bet on himself. If he's not willing, he's not the coach.
I don't even care if the per year salary was a little higher, but giving anyone 10 years guaranteed to do a 4 year job is silliness.
The hire wasn't the problem, the contract was. As I said in the other thread, 10 year contracts are stupid when success can be proven in less than half of that. Let the coach bet on himself. If he's not willing, he's not the coach.
I don't even care if the per year salary was a little higher, but giving anyone 10 years guaranteed to do a 4 year job is silliness.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:05 am to Yeti_Chaser
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In reality ND, Alabama, Oregon, and A&M a
Alabama and A&M didn't hire coaches that cycle
A&M only ended up with a good hire because their fans revolted over Stoops
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:06 am to Midtiger farm
Have you watched a UF game in the last few years?
None of what you said is their problem, they have recruited well and spent money on assistants
The #1 problem is Napier refusing to give up OC duties and being an awful in game coach. 2nd on the list is the massive amount of dumb mistakes their players make, which also goes back to the Head Coach
Napier sucks at D1 level
None of what you said is their problem, they have recruited well and spent money on assistants
The #1 problem is Napier refusing to give up OC duties and being an awful in game coach. 2nd on the list is the massive amount of dumb mistakes their players make, which also goes back to the Head Coach
Napier sucks at D1 level
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:08 am to Midtiger farm
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Alabama and A&M didn't hire coaches that cycle
Guess I'm getting my years mixed up but the point still stands. Deboer and Elko were both available that year getting hired at their previous schools
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:17 am to OldManRiver
I'll also point out that Kevin O'Connell would've been an absolute smash hire out of left field. He didn't start getting NFL HC offers until later so we may have had an outside shot at landing him. But we have this terrible mindset of refusing to look at anyone without HC experience so he was never even thought of as a candidate
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 11:23 am
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:19 am to Yeti_Chaser
quote:Except for Freeman (because Kelly left), I don't think those hires can be considered part of the same cycle since they happened 2 years after.
In reality ND, Alabama, Oregon, and A&M all found better coaches that cycle by not being hung up on the "big splash" criteria.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:21 am to Mike da Tigah
Lincoln reilly would've been better here than Kelly imo
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:22 am to ipodking
Lanning turned us down. He doesnt want to come here.
Cignetti is the hindsight pick
Cignetti is the hindsight pick
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:23 am to Mike da Tigah
You could have achieved the same results as BK with 1/2 the money and 1/2 the years. Other programs brought in Coordinators, you didn't need the biggest name with the biggest contract. It's a risk, but it's a far less risk than the BK situation. You bring in a coach from a school that his bias built in, doesn't play in a conference, and from all indications had a poor relationship with his players. SW also misunderstood NIL.
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:23 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Yea I got my years mixed up
Posted on 10/31/25 at 11:34 am to Mike da Tigah
stupid question. Kiffin
Posted on 10/31/25 at 12:07 pm to Alatgr
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The mistake was the 10 year guaranteed contract
Yep. I would have been cool with Kelly on a 5 yr contract. No coach is ever a sure thing.
As RB10 pointed out, the realistic candidates back then were:
Lincoln Riley
Mel Tucker
Lane Kiffin
Jimbo Fischer
Billy Napier
Of those, only Napier was virtually a shoo-in to come here for a 5-year deal, with Kiffin being the other possibility. At the time, Kiffin would not have been considered as good a hire as BK by most folks not on TD. Riley got an even more lucrative 10-year contract than Kelly, Jimbo got extended to 10 more, as did Tucker. Three of those (Jimbo, Tucker, and Billy) coaches were out before Kelly. Riley has been objectively worse than Kelly.
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