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re: What’s This “Bowls are Meaningless” Narrative?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:05 pm to des4271
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:05 pm to des4271
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The character and competitiveness at which Devin White plays is the reason I felt very confident he would play in the bowl game,
Tell me what you've seen from Greedy in the last 3 years that makes you think he's a low character guy?
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:05 pm to slackster
A bowl game can do one of two things make you feel good about your team in the offseason or make you feel bad until the ball is kicked off in September.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:06 pm to Dizz
quote:Simply because it's the last game of the season.
A bowl game can do one of two things make you feel good about your team in the offseason or make you feel bad until the ball is kicked off in September.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:07 pm to AshLSU
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Nope. It’s stupid. That’s why we are playing a podunk little shite school.
You'll grow out of it, kid
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:09 pm to DeathValley85
Next to winning the NC (or you're conferance or 'hardware') it becomes all about your poll rankings and the perception of your program. For those the bowl games have great importance.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:10 pm to slackster
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As ridiculous as it sounds - because we can hardly contemplate a loss there - the Rice game is more impactful than a non-playoff bowl game.
Since we can't really contemplate a loss to Rice, wouldn't it be fair to ask which win would be more impactful between Rice and our bowl game?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:11 pm to slackster
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Huh? Who says that?
You do. If a NY6 bowl is meaningless then what is an Indy bowl berth? Double extra super meaningless?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:13 pm to Dizz
Yep they also go a long way in setting the tone of the whole off season. If they meant so little the Notre Dame bowl game wouldnt have left such a bad taste last season.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:14 pm to DeathValley85
If bowls are meaningless, then why do they count in a team's record?
If bowls are meaningless, then why do they release final rankings based on the outcome of the bowl games?
If bowls are meaningless, then why do they release final rankings based on the outcome of the bowl games?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:15 pm to lsufball19
quote:The point of those games were not to earn the bowl birth we did. I promise you no players were saying hey let's win these two games so we can go play in the Fiesta Bowl. The point of those games were to improve LSU's regular season rankings so that LSU could have a puncher's chance at the playoffs. Losing to A&M crushed that.
So if the point of those games was to earn the bowl birth we did, how can you say that game is less meaningful?
quote:Correct, but you have to evaluate the risk reward of a loss vs a win, keeping in mind that the two games aren't mutually exclusive. A loss vs Rice hurts LSU more than a win vs UCF benefits them. This is because a loss vs Rice takes LSU out of this NY6 bowl that you and others hold with such prestige.
And I'd bet the house a win in the Fiesta Bowl helps LSU's ranking more than beating Rice did.
Win vs Rice:LSU doesn't move in rankings
Loss vs Rice: LSU drops significantly in polls
Win vs UCF: LSU moves up a few spots
Loss vs UCF: LSU drops a few spots
Now which one of those outcomes has the greatest net value impact on LSU's season?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:22 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
So y’all are really gonna sit here and argue that losses are more consequential than wins and act like that’s some revelatory talking point? No shite. Unless you’re playing a team ranked above you, losses tend to hurt more than wins help. To act like that somehow proves that bowl games are meaningless really just reminds me of why I never post here.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:23 pm to lsufball19
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Since we can't really contemplate a loss to Rice, wouldn't it be fair to ask which win would be more impactful between Rice and our bowl game?
A win in the regular season is 100% more important than a non playoff bowl win. How is anyone arguing this?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:24 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Correct, but you have to evaluate the risk reward of a loss vs a win, keeping in mind that the two games aren't mutually exclusive. A loss vs Rice hurts LSU more than a win vs UCF benefits them. This is because a loss vs Rice takes LSU out of this NY6 bowl that you and others hold with such prestige.
Win vs Rice:LSU doesn't move in rankings
Loss vs Rice: LSU drops significantly in polls
Win vs UCF: LSU moves up a few spots
Loss vs UCF: LSU drops a few spots
Now which one of those outcomes has the greatest net value impact on LSU's season?
Ok, now do this comparison for every game on our schedule. Only winning the Alabama game would render a bigger net gain for LSU. The net result of losing to Rice would outweigh any gain for any other win on our schedule. So with this premise, the only logical conclusion to make would be that Rice is arguably the most important or second most important game on our schedule. But we know that is complete hogwash, so maybe your rationalization of how to determine the importance of games needs to be reevaluated.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:26 pm to lsufball19
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Guys, this team sucks... meaning they’re the biggest game on our schedule
-half of tRant
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:26 pm to boxcar willie
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If they meant so little the Notre Dame bowl game wouldn't have left such a bad taste last season.
Any time you lose the last game of the year especially that way it will leave a bad taste in your mouth (really only for fans). The bad taste had nothing to do with it being a bowl game it was because it was the last game of the year.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:29 pm to boxcar willie
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Most of this narrative started before the aTm game when O negs noticed it had become very possible that we would win 11 games. That was when most of the "bowl games dont mean anything" narrative started.
They've been meaningless for a long time. In that case, I think what people mean is the bowl is nor more special than any non-conference game on the schedule.
Heck the two big things about last year were 1) Not going for it 2) Going from 9-3 to 9-4, it wasn't really that bad of a "loss" compared to the other losses. And it's certainly less impactful than any conference game.
SO rather than say meaningless, it might be better to say, no more meaningful than another non-conference game, and does LESS overall to put a team into a position for the season to be great if you aren't playing in the playoff. That's the point.
A non-conference game in the middle of the season has weight because it puts us closer or further from the Playoff. A non-playoff bowl game can't do that.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:30 pm to Dizz
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The bad taste had nothing to do with it being a bowl game it was because it was the last game of the year.
The bad taste came from Special Ed pissing away a win over ND.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:31 pm to whitefoot
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If bowls are meaningless, then why do they count in a team's record? If bowls are meaningless, then why do they release final rankings based on the outcome of the bowl games?
Because fans need something to talk and read about - just like pre-season rankings.
I'm not at all convinced that a random bowl win or loss helps or hurts in any meaningful way.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:32 pm to Dizz
Since for LSU bowl games are generally the last game of the season they are the game whose good or bad taste lasts all off season. In addition they go on your record, and most important are viewed nationally and greatly affect your poll ranking
Posted on 12/3/18 at 1:38 pm to DecadePlusLurker
quote:I have never said bowl games are meaningless. Let me refer you back to my post in the first page of this thread, which was
To act like that somehow proves that bowl games are meaningless really just reminds me of why I never post here.
quote:Bowl games have plenty of meaning to tons of people. They just don't have very much meaning to someone who is on the verge of receiving life changing money.
The argument was never that bowl games are meaningless. The argument is that the non-playoff bowls are meaningless exhibition games to INDIVIDUAL high-profile draft picks when looked at from a purely financial standpoint.
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