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Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:03 pm to dnm3305
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Yea he usually is. And that makes it right?
Yes? The burden of proof is on you to convince us that your system is even remotely feasible. So far... no dice.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:27 pm to lsu2006
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Yes? The burden of proof is on you to convince us that your system is even remotely feasible. So far... no dice.
It's not my system. It's the belief of alot of guys heavily involved in the front offices of MLB. It just hasnt been implemented yet because of the old school managers and the backlash that the media would create. Could you imagine if Jim Leyland would hit Cabrera 2nd? The media would have a field day. That doesnt mean he wouldnt get more out of him batting 2nd. Here's a few blog's from a person that's way smarter than either of us on why Joey Votto should be hitting 2nd for Cincy. If you dont have ESPN insider, here's a similar article. Keith Law Blog
yahoo article stating the same thing
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:28 pm to dnm3305
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I def believe in team chemistry and not messing with juju when it's going good,
So why mess with near perfection? We've lost one series all season. You shake things up when there's a problem. We risk creating a problem that doesn't exist.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:29 pm to dnm3305
If so many guys in the front office believe it then why aren't they hiring "new school" managers that will go along with that school of thought.
Epstein hired Dale Svuem and he has Rizzo batting in the three hole. If so many front office believe that, why isn't Rizzo in the two hole?
Epstein hired Dale Svuem and he has Rizzo batting in the three hole. If so many front office believe that, why isn't Rizzo in the two hole?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:31 pm to dnm3305
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Could you imagine if Jim Leyland would hit Cabrera 2nd? The media would have a field day.
So, what you're saying is that managers (namely Leyland) don't bat their best overall hitter 2nd for fear of a media backlash? You're hopeless.This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:31 pm to geauxjo
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We risk creating a problem that doesn't exist.
How? How would tweaking the lineup create a problem? That too is an old school gree gree tradition of baseball. The same thing as wearing the same socks all year. Taking the 3rd worst hitter out of the leadoff spot and putting him at the bottom of the lineup to give our better hitters more AB's would create a problem?
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:32 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Dale Svuem is pretty old school as well. He's a Francona disciple, who is also old school.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:34 pm to dnm3305
So why would Epstein hire someone like that?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:35 pm to dnm3305
Ok so as I just said, why didn't Epstein hire someone else? The hiring decision was made by him...so why didn't he look else where and get a "new school" manager that would buy the load you are selling.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:35 pm to lsu2006
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So, what you're saying is that managers (namely Leyland) don't bat their best overall hitter 2nd for fear of a media backlash? You're hopeless.
No im saying that he doesnt bat him there because he's old school and believes his way is better, just like 99% of people in baseball. Im saying that if he would do that, the media would jump all over it.
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:37 pm to dnm3305
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just like 99% of people in baseball
You told me earlier that it was a FACT that teams should hit their best overall hitter in the two hole in the lineup instead of the three hole and now you are saying that only 1% of people in baseball agree with that philosophy??
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:39 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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You told me earlier that it was a FACT that teams should hit their best overall hitter in the two hole in the lineup instead of the three hole and now you are saying that only 1% of people in baseball agree with that philosophy??
He's gotten to the point where he is even confusing himself, I think.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:40 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Ok so as I just said, why didn't Epstein hire someone else? The hiring decision was made by him...so why didn't he look else where and get a "new school" manager that would buy the load you are selling.
Do I really need to answer that. Im sure that filling out the lineup sabermetrically and putting the best hitter on the team in the 2-hole didnt come up in the job interview. Im pretty sure it was more about "would you consider stepping outside of the boundaries of baseball and using statistical analysis in your preparation for daily games?" They used this exact scenario when interviewing Francona for the Red Sox job and placed an emphasis on Francona understanding that the Red Sox new approach was going to be very much logic based and not old school based. They freakin hired Bill James. At the same time Im sure Epstein let's managers manage. All of this goes without saying as yall are just spitting out scenarios for the sake of arguing.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:40 pm to dnm3305
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How? How would tweaking the lineup create a problem?
Im not saying definitively that it would. But how many coaches shake up a lineup when their team has lost only one series all season? Risk doesn't equal reward here. We're already being rewarded. You're waaaaay overthinking this whole thing.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:41 pm to dnm3305
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All of this goes without saying as yall are just spitting out scenarios for the sake of arguing.
Sounds like that is exactly what your are doing.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:42 pm to dnm3305
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yall are just spitting out scenarios for the sake of arguing.
No, we really aren't. We just want to know where any factual basis that the best overall hitter should be batting second. So far all you posted was one radical article. I just would be interested to know how someone says that something is a FACT with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:42 pm to lsu2006
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He's gotten to the point where he is even confusing himself, I think.
I don't think anyone thought this thread would turn out this way
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:43 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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You told me earlier that it was a FACT that teams should hit their best overall hitter in the two hole in the lineup instead of the three hole and now you are saying that only 1% of people in baseball agree with that philosophy??
It's a fact that Mike Trout was a better baseball player last year than Cabrera, yet Cabrera won the MVP. That 1% of people in baseball are Jonah Hill's character in "Moneyball". They arent involved with anything that actually goes on on the field. That doesnt mean their approach and philosophies are wrong.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:45 pm to dnm3305
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Do I really need to answer that. Im sure that filling out the lineup sabermetrically and putting the best hitter on the team in the 2-hole didnt come up in the job interview.
Why not, if it's something that means so much to the "new school" guys who are apparently in EVERY front office? For as pervasive as you imply these types to be, you'd think we would see more people take on your philosophy.
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