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re: What will the pumpers do when the truth is revealed?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:51 pm to Rouge
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:51 pm to Rouge
One thing is for sure. Jerks like you won't be happy no matter what. If LSU goes undefeated and wins a national championship, you'll be complaining about something the whole way.
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:51 pm to Rouge
People like OP should be banned. Reason why this forum is a joke
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:51 pm to Rouge
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:54 pm to I-H8-BAMA
This pretty much it and we all agree that if they aren't getting it done then changes need to follow.
If they do a good job then we're good to go. I'm with you I-H8-bama. It's not all that complicated.
If they do a good job then we're good to go. I'm with you I-H8-bama. It's not all that complicated.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:04 pm to Rouge
Why wouldn't you hope that LSU has a successful season instead and O actually have things turned around?
We wouldn't be in mediocrity nor would we need another coach. No matter if you think there is a small chance of this happening, as an LSU fan, you should hope that it does. Being how you're actually guessing on the chances anyway, why not guess that small chance comes to fruition?
I'll tell you one thing for certain. The players on this team, as herelded and talented as they are, actually believe in this team and staff. They really do. That says something because I assure you that not all teams believe in what their coaches are teaching them. LSU has top 10 talent, we simply need to put it altogether.
We wouldn't be in mediocrity nor would we need another coach. No matter if you think there is a small chance of this happening, as an LSU fan, you should hope that it does. Being how you're actually guessing on the chances anyway, why not guess that small chance comes to fruition?
I'll tell you one thing for certain. The players on this team, as herelded and talented as they are, actually believe in this team and staff. They really do. That says something because I assure you that not all teams believe in what their coaches are teaching them. LSU has top 10 talent, we simply need to put it altogether.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:05 pm to jgoodw318
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Herman, Jimbo, Dabo - sure they have had success
Dabo has established a very good program
Herman is dynamic and in my opinion will have a very good college coaching career
Jimbo won a national title with a great QB very similar to Cam at Auburn. One play that season, the Auburn return on the last play against Bama opened the door for Florida State not to face Alabama in the championship game. Now there is no sure way to tell if Bama would have beaten Florida State but that game would have been a harder game than Auburn.
Jimbo would not be making 7 million dollars a year and a 70 million dollar buyout without that spectacular play.
By the way this was the highlight play of the decade and I loved Auburn winning and the point I am trying to make is that Jimbo being a great coach hangs on a play or two not that he built a great program.
A very good coach in Jimbo for sure but he did not build a power house program at Florida State.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:13 pm to Rouge
Why don’t you wait and see how it plays out dickface? frick! Are you an LSU fan or not? I just don’t understand it. “Pumper”? How about “fan”? “Supporter”? I am no Orgeron fan by any means... but frick, if you’re a Tiger fan, don’t you want them to win? Wouldn’t that make you happy? Or would you rather be able to tell “pumpers” “I told you so”?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:26 pm to jgoodw318
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The other thing is we aren't the program that everybody is dying to come to. Believe what you want but that is just the simple truth of it. Failing to get Herman and Jimbo are examples of that. Sure, some of it is on JA. But not ALL of it. You can blame anybody you want, but the truth of the matter is LSU isn't the destination job that some of our fans believe it to be.
This is incredibly incorrect, and way more detrimental to LSU than it is for the OP to hope we lose.
Its your kind of mentality that gave Alleva the option to hire O.
2 years ago, LSU was a top 5-7 program, perhaps higher with money to blow if it's a good investment.
We could've lured all but about 10 of the current NCAA coaches, but we have O
Stop thinking weak.
Eta- I wasn't even going to post in this thread until this ridiculousness popped up
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:27 pm to LCTFAN
You are correct. Dabo established a program at Clemson, but only time will tell with how far it goes. I think he would be stupid to leave Clemson because he has the chance to really run the ACC for the foreseeable (sp check that please) future.
Herman is dynamic and a great offensive mind but it is still yet to be seen on how good of a coach he will be. Remember, he had a spectacular first year at Houston but his second year was nowhere close to that first year. Time will tell and if I were to put money on it I would bet he won't do anything spectacular. But that is just my opinion.
Jimbo, however, has never really impressed me as a head coach. He won a NC with a generational college QB. You are correct that he was aided with the kick 6. I don't believe he would've beaten Alabama that year. But other than that season and the one that followed he has been pretty mediocre. His records were pretty comparable to that of Les Miles. Last year was an atrocity. I just don't see what everybody else sees in him.
Herman is dynamic and a great offensive mind but it is still yet to be seen on how good of a coach he will be. Remember, he had a spectacular first year at Houston but his second year was nowhere close to that first year. Time will tell and if I were to put money on it I would bet he won't do anything spectacular. But that is just my opinion.
Jimbo, however, has never really impressed me as a head coach. He won a NC with a generational college QB. You are correct that he was aided with the kick 6. I don't believe he would've beaten Alabama that year. But other than that season and the one that followed he has been pretty mediocre. His records were pretty comparable to that of Les Miles. Last year was an atrocity. I just don't see what everybody else sees in him.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:37 pm to Rouge
Pumpers will say O is still in transition and next year will be better.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:07 am to SportTiger1
That's not weak thinking. That's realism. My mentality had NOTHING to do with hiring Orgeron. I didn't like the hire but I'm also not stupid enough to actually believe that what I say on a message board carries any weight whatsoever with the people who actually make the decisions. Truth is unless you are a big money donor, and I mean BIG money, what you think does not matter in the slightest to those people making the decisions. I also believe that most of the people here will never agree with any hire that is made. If those coaches REALLY wanted to be here they would have been no matter who the AD is. But you have to realize that its not just the AD you are signing with. Its everything that comes with school and if you read this board its not hard to realize why some people might not want to come coach here because some of our fans are absolutely the worst in the country.
Instead of just hiring any head coach in D1, most of which are mediocre but people still clammer for because their name isn't Ed Orgeron (Leach would be an example of this), I would take my chance with O if I couldn't get anyone not named Saban, Meyer, or Peterson (the only coaches who have proven they can replicate success at different schools). I was disappointed with his hire but at the same time I'm glad we didn't get fleeced contractually by guys like Herman or Jimbo. At least with O we can get rid of him cheap if he doesn't work out and he will not leave the pantry bare of talent because he can recruit with the best of em. I will also never, NEVER hope that LSU loses just so he will be fired. I hope he succeeds and becomes the most successful coach in the history of the school but if he's not then so be it.
Instead of just hiring any head coach in D1, most of which are mediocre but people still clammer for because their name isn't Ed Orgeron (Leach would be an example of this), I would take my chance with O if I couldn't get anyone not named Saban, Meyer, or Peterson (the only coaches who have proven they can replicate success at different schools). I was disappointed with his hire but at the same time I'm glad we didn't get fleeced contractually by guys like Herman or Jimbo. At least with O we can get rid of him cheap if he doesn't work out and he will not leave the pantry bare of talent because he can recruit with the best of em. I will also never, NEVER hope that LSU loses just so he will be fired. I hope he succeeds and becomes the most successful coach in the history of the school but if he's not then so be it.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:22 am to jgoodw318
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At least with O we can get rid of him cheap if he doesn't work out
Not really a great argument. We gave the man a buyout when there was no market for him. Joe Alleva being the genius man that he is artificially raised the price tag on Ed Orgeron to frick himself if he ever needed to bail out on the cheap. Now we're stuck with him until that runs out
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:31 am to Walnut
These days there is no such thing as a head coaching contract without a buyout on either sides. You are completely ignorant if you believe there is. And his buyout is extremely small and very affordable compared to other coaches.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:13 am to jgoodw318
First, why do you think so lowly of yourself and the LSU football program? You as a fan with a checkbook, matters. The fan base is what keeps this program going, nothing else. If the fans stop spending money, changes will be made. Therefore input of folks on this board has an impact, as a sum.
Market value man. O would not have walked away with a contract for $2.5m salary and say a 25% buyout? Where else would he have gone to get that? Lol
And an $8.5m buyout half way through a 4 year contract is anything but affordable, especially for a guy with no market value. The guy begged publicly for an interview at Syracuse and couldn't get it.
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These days there is no such thing as a head coaching contract without a buyout on either sides. You are completely ignorant if you believe there is. And his buyout is extremely small and very affordable compared to other coaches.
Market value man. O would not have walked away with a contract for $2.5m salary and say a 25% buyout? Where else would he have gone to get that? Lol
And an $8.5m buyout half way through a 4 year contract is anything but affordable, especially for a guy with no market value. The guy begged publicly for an interview at Syracuse and couldn't get it.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:30 am to jgoodw318
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These days there is no such thing as a head coaching contract without a buyout on either sides. You are completely ignorant if you believe there is. And his buyout is extremely small and very affordable compared to other coaches.
Compared to who?
Good coaches?
He got almost his entire contract guaranteed.
Why?
The only reason is because the guy who signed his co tract knew his job was riding in O staying HC for a while.
Breach of fiduciary duties if you ask me.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:43 am to SammyTiger
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He got almost his entire contract guaranteed
Exactly. 100% guaranteed. Its extremely high relative to his salary
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:50 am to Rouge
What is the point of this thread
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:55 am to SportTiger1
First, I don’t think lowly of myself or the LSU football program. And I’m also not stupid enough to believe that my small donation and season tickets matter to those people. There will be plenty more signing up to get those tickets because they truly love the university and know that it’s a privilege to have the tickets. The people who matter are the ones with the truly big money. Those people stop donating then the administration will pay attention. I believe we have one of the best programs in the entire country. However, I’m not blinded by my own loyalty to LSU to understand that there are reasons other than JA that a coach would not want to come here. IF Tom Herman or Jimbo Fisher really and truly wanted to be the head coach at LSU they would have been taken the job and not used it as leverage for another school (Herman) or money would not have been an issue (Fisher).
Secondly, he got O got the job and told them that he would take substantially less money than the position typically carries in order to prove himself and then got a sliding scale on the buyout if he doesn’t produce to set himself up for life. He’s basically betting on himself. Are you telling me that you would rather his small contract compared to that of Fisher’s with the $70 MILLION DOLLAR buyout if he doesn’t work out? Don’t give me the “well Fisher is a proven HC,” excuse. The only thing Fisher has proven to me is that, besides 2 seasons when he had a generational talent at QB, he is the same type of mediocrity as Les Miles. And Miles never had a season like fisher had last year...
Secondly, he got O got the job and told them that he would take substantially less money than the position typically carries in order to prove himself and then got a sliding scale on the buyout if he doesn’t produce to set himself up for life. He’s basically betting on himself. Are you telling me that you would rather his small contract compared to that of Fisher’s with the $70 MILLION DOLLAR buyout if he doesn’t work out? Don’t give me the “well Fisher is a proven HC,” excuse. The only thing Fisher has proven to me is that, besides 2 seasons when he had a generational talent at QB, he is the same type of mediocrity as Les Miles. And Miles never had a season like fisher had last year...
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 2:13 am
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:02 am to SammyTiger
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Go find me a HC at any decent P5 school that does not have a buyout from either sides. And compared to other coaches at schools that have a program that we have, yes his contract is pretty small. And if he fails, then he’s gone, JA is gone (hopefully this happens anyway), and we start over.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:03 am to I-H8-BAMA
Because they either work in admin or are paid. There is no other explanation.
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