re: What will lsu record next regular season need to be for a successful year?

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No need to get emotional about it and make up arguments that were never made

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Says the guy bringing up 2019 in a conversation about 11 and 12

2011 is regarded as one of the best schedules ever. 2012 is not. You've moved the argument to 2019 because you know there's no defending the claim about 2012.

Basically no one brings up 2012 as one of the toughest schedules ever, because it wasn't. End of discussion.

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You've moved the argument to 2019

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I moved it to 2019 because you opened the door wide open for it

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you know there's no defending the claim about 2012.

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I've put on my proof. Like I said, it's splitting hairs.

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2011 is regarded as one of the best schedules ever.

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By LSU fans and who else?

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Basically no one brings up 2012 as one of the toughest schedules ever,

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Because the 2012 team didn't choke in the national title game after an undefeated regular season

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End of discussion.

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whatever you say bud

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What will lsu record next regular season need to be for a successful year?

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Bro, you’re on the tiger rant… anything less than 11-1 or 12-0 is a MASSIVE failure.

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Ok fine. You don’t get to lower your expectations because other teams are improving more than you are. If other teams are going out and getting better coaches and players than LSU, and in turn improving more than LSU, that’s not a good excuse to why expectations should be lowered. Results matter.

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Here's where I think the disconnect is. You (and others) are talking about PROGRAM expectations, whereas I am talking about SEASON expectations.

I agree, whole heartedly, that program expectations should be to compete for national championships. No question. But it is hard to set a level of expectation for next SEASON without knowing (1) who is on LSU's roster; (2) who will be on LSU's coaching staff...most notably, DC, and (3) what does the competition look like next season.

I can want LSU to compete for a title next year. I can want the program to have an overall program expectation of competing for championships. That will be the case every year. But it may be unreasonable to EXPECT that result will happen next season with a new, relatively inexperienced QB (still has yet to start a college game); A WR group that will almost assuredly lose two guys who combined for 146 of 255 total receptions (57%) and 29 of 41 receiving TDs (71%) [more if Lacy leaves] and a defense, albeit likely with a new DC, that will still be somewhat talent depleted if the narrative that this year's defense significantly lacked is to be accepted.

Basically, you are saying "I don't care that LSU is losing a TON of production." I don't care that the competition they face may get better. I EXPECT them to compete for a championship next year solely because it is year 3. Not all seasons and not all teams are created equal. Given the variables in play, experienced QB, experienced and talented WRs, experienced RB group; a full returning starting OL, a "down" SEC, THIS was the season for big expectations. It didn't matter that this was only year 2 for Kelly. The pieces were in place relative to the competition. That's probably not going to be the case next year. Just as it wasn't in 2020 with the exodus of talent following the 2019 season. Or was the expectation that LSU should have been even better in 2020 because it was year 4 under O instead of year 3?

I WANT LSU to compete for a championship next season. I just don't EXPECT it given the (likely) personnel losses.

Here's the thing though, it is the coach's responsibility to be able to replace production and improve the coaching staff. It is his responsibility to keep up with how much other programs are improving.

I didn't expect the 2020 team to be better than the 2019 team. However, I did expect them to be over .500. They didn't live up to expectations. In year 3 of BK, I expect the team to make a 12 team playoff. I already stated I didn't expect them to win the national championship.

Basically, you are saying BK could go out and hire a bad DC every year, not do well in the portal, and have a bad recruiting class then use that as an excuse as to why they aren't living up to expectations. "How are we supposed to compete when we missed on portal guys again, missed on the coaching staff, and didn't recruit good enough players"

LSU fans shouldn't lower expectations because this staff wasted the 2nd best offense in school history and now has to replace that production. LSU fans shouldn't lower expectations because we currently have the 8th best recruiting class in the SEC. It is the coach's responsibility to maintain a level of play and improve what needs to be improved in order to meet expectations.