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re: What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:46 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:46 am to Topwater Trout
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The last bama game we were trying different sets but once we realized we were going to get JB killed we went to max protect
which didn't work against South fricking Eastern. His playcalling in our biggest game has been terrible. It's ok for you to just admit it.
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:47 am to GumboPot
51.67% TD conversion rate in the red zone.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:47 am to GumboPot
0 points against bama... AGAIN
Lost to a Florida.... AGAIN
Lost to a Florida.... AGAIN
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:49 am to oldcharlie8
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the only thing that pisses me off is that we don't use the TE's
The rant and TEs
My gawd
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:50 am to GumboPot
I don't really have any beef with the offense itself. I do wish we would use the TE's and RB's more, maybe some more gadget plays with our athletic skill players, but my main complaint is inconsistent play calling. Far to often this year we would run the ball setting up 3rd and longs, which was like a death wish for this offense.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:50 am to mhc4tigers
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The comment by Coach E that some of our WR do not understand or cannot process audibles.
I did not hear that.
That is a concern. Hopefully this is addressed with a year, spring and summer under their belts for next season.
I can't tell you how many times defensive alignments show a check down to a crossing route or slant is required and the WRs fail to recognize it. Hopefully Jefferson, Chase, Dillon and Sullivan will recognize these situations every time next year.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
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I don't have an issue with it. It works
It doesnt work against good defenses. Don't kid yourself, we played a fricking HS team in that bowl game.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
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He constantly had us a dinosaur max protect which brings more defenders to the los. In today's cfb you spread teams out. Max protect limits the options for our qb.
Knowing that our oline is struggling HE NEVER ONCE MOVED THE POCKET FOR BURROW. Teams were allow to just pin their ears back and rush to a spot.
He constantly called playaction passes when no one respected our run game.
He has yet to teach our players how to run a damn screen pass.
He constantly calls these long developing pass plays that dont help our oline.
He constantly puts Burrow under center making it harder to read a defense during his drop and he knows our pass blocking isnt great.
Our gameplan almost never changes depending upon the weakness of our opponent.
Fair points.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
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the play calling in certain situations
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I do have an issue with play calling and offensive adjustments at times.
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As far as Coach O and E, IMO they need work on helping the offense recolonize game time situations better where the mistakes that bog this offense down are eliminated.
^This is it in a nutshell^
Its how they choose to react in certain situations, I have no issue with the game plan most of the time, its how they adjust (or don't) given what the defenses are doing.
Example, why on 4th and 1 (several times this year) do we continue to run off tackle from the shotgun?
We were so good running tempo this year, why don't we run more quick slants/crossing routes to get our receivers involved when DBs playing are in zone.
I felt like the UCF game was the first game this season where we truly adjusted to take what the defense was giving us and it yielded 500+ yards and 4 passing TDs.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
Lack of ability to adjust to flow of the game. Seems like he goes in with a game plan if that goes to shite he doesn't seem to know what to d to keep the offense moving. Also I hate shutting down the offense once we get a lead. If we wouldn't have shut down the offense vs A&M we probably would of gotten the first down and won.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:55 am to LNCHBOX
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His playcalling in our biggest game has been terrible. It's ok for you to just admit it.
I know why he wasn't able to call certain plays...you can admit that having a terrible oline limits teams offensively can't you?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:55 am to GumboPot
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It works.
Terrible in the red zone.
0 point against Alabama.
If you take out the 7 overtime game, it is sub-par when looking at national averages.
Basically, it just wasn't very good.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:58 am to Topwater Trout
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when the oline can barely block teams not blitzing it usually means
several oline injuries.
Ingram out all year.
They didn't have same line two games in a row until late in season.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:58 am to Topwater Trout
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I know why he wasn't able to call certain plays...you can admit that having a terrible oline limits teams offensively can't you?
Absolutely, but he did a terrible job of masking that weakness.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:59 am to Topwater Trout
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I know why he wasn't able to call certain plays...you can admit that having a terrible oline limits teams offensively can't you?
Scheme around it. Don't do what clearly didn't work against lesser competition. Get the payers to play better.
You can't tell me that we can dominate UGA but not be able to push around La Tech and SouthEastern and then just get prison raped by Bama.
Clearly we had talent enough to get better results than we got.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
Our offensive stats are awful. The playcalling is stale and unimaginative. The red zone offense in particular is god awful.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
It just relies too much on execution and being better than the guy across the ball from you.
We averaged 505.3 yards vs Non P5 teams and 375 vs P5 teams
The PPG split is 40 vs Non-P5 30 vs P5
And that’s including a 71 point game vs A&M
Now if this always going to be different?
Yes of course. Of course
But I think The issue is that we really more on just talent than we do on scheme, and that works until we run up against equally talented defenses.
We averaged 505.3 yards vs Non P5 teams and 375 vs P5 teams
The PPG split is 40 vs Non-P5 30 vs P5
And that’s including a 71 point game vs A&M
Now if this always going to be different?
Yes of course. Of course
But I think The issue is that we really more on just talent than we do on scheme, and that works until we run up against equally talented defenses.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:01 am to GumboPot
quote:I believe it didn't score a single point against Alabama in 2016 and I believe it didn't score a single point against Alabama in 2018. I have an issue with that. It doesn't work against the best defense in the SEC. If you're not capable of scoring a single point against Alabama in two years, then what's the point?...……….
There seems to be a lot of people on this board that hate the scheme that Coach E has implemented here at LSU. I have to say, I don't have an issue with it. It works. I believe its a good combination of run pass.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:01 am to Topwater Trout
You think every team in the country besides LSU has a dominant OL? Why is he the only one that can’t scheme around it?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:01 am to GumboPot
I guess its good that you are fine with this offense. "It works..." is hardly a ringing endorsement. A stopped clock "works" twice a day.
The only appropriate measure for success of the offense is in its statistical measurements. How does it perform compared to its peers? I think most of us consider our "peers" to be championship level teams, like Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma. We don't have anywhere near that level of performance.
I for one do not care what formations, strategies or styles of offense we use to create better performance.
The only appropriate measure for success of the offense is in its statistical measurements. How does it perform compared to its peers? I think most of us consider our "peers" to be championship level teams, like Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma. We don't have anywhere near that level of performance.
I for one do not care what formations, strategies or styles of offense we use to create better performance.
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