re: What specifically did Les Miles do wrong tonight?

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The annomaly was last years class and thre amount of talent that left. Although a very talented group no one saw all those players leaving

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when you have great recruiting classes year after year that doesn't really matter, Alabama for example, when one talent leaves another one steps in.

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Not recruit to the level that Saban has recruited to.

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Who is recruiting to Saban's level? He's the best. So this boils down to the fact that Miles is not Saban?

But I guess you'll say Jack Del Rio or Kliff Kingsbury is going to come here and start recruiting better than Saban.

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I honestly really liked the game plan. This game really just boils down to our defense lacking in talent this season.. It's obviously not something we're used to as LSU fans.

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Last night wasn't the coaching, it was the depth. Starters vs starters, when both were fresh, and we played Alabama straight up (could really say we should have led). But over the course of the game, Bama had the greater depth, and their team wore ours down.

You can't blame Miles for either fumble; the Copeland was was an absolute fluke that happened at the worst time possible. It affected the scoreboard but not our level of play, as we continued to stick right with Bama. The fumbled snap was due to the atmosphere and crowd noise. That happens, especially on the road in such a loud environment. Maybe you can say the coaches could have prepared for that better, but it's doubtful. It's part of the offensive system, and before last night the silent count hasn't been an issue... why tinker with things not broken?

Depth; a no-win situation for Miles. People scream about subs playing, but Magee actually did well for a number of plays before the line got overwhelmed. You're trying to keep Hill fresh for the ending.

We need better/more depth to regain equal footing with Bama. That won't happen if you continuously lose entire junior classes to the draft; Bama loses players too but not to that extent. They posted a stat listing Bama's 5th yr seniors, and there were a number of starters on that list. Frankly, that's not on Miles as much as it is on the atmosphere surrounding LSU. Our players seem to want to make a payday far more than they enjoy staying on campus for a final year. Maybe that's due, in part, to the apathy in the stadium, the constant bitching about coaches by the fanbase, etc. Changing out a coach won't stop that.

Anyone saying recruiting just isnt grasping it.

We have a very good chance at having the #1 class this year.

We have talent. Which is why we were playing well for 3.5 quarters. 2 fumbles were the only reason we weren't winning going into the 4th. Tre white and rashard Robinson will be top tier corners. They're freshman. We have young LBs that will develope well.

The root of this teams problems are the NFL draft last year. That class fricked us.

Recruiting isn't the reason freak and a few others hasn't lived up to expectations.

Were recruiting well. Recruiting is NOT the problem. Y'all don't put enough stock in experience.

He isn't a great recruiter

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Recruiting just isn't up to par of late.

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too early to tell, tbh. There is no doubt with all the youth in that defense and what we lost early to the NFL last year that we were rebuilding. When you essentially lose all leadership early to the NFL and no one really steps up their play and takes the reigns, youth will show through. We have a lot of young players that are still cutting teeth.

That said, you can't really say recruiting isn't up to par when we have so many players heading to the NFL early. If all our guys stayed for until their senior year like players do at Bama, our defense would be ridiculous this year......think about it, Mingo, Brockers, Logan, Montgomery, Minter, Mathieu, Simon, and Reid. All of those guys would be seniors this year. That's huge, so I wouldn't say recruiting is the issue, I just think many of our guys are playing sooner than should due to our early NFL guys.


Hopefully this year, only those that really can benefit from going out early leave and honestly there are only 4 of them (OBJ, Landry, L. Collins, and Hill). Everyone else should be coming back because none of them are first/second rounders yet.

Dudebro, great post, but, if we fire Miles now, we lose our OC and DC, and, I like our OC and DC.

Not only that, but, I have no confidence in LSU's capability to find an outstanding head football coach. LSU is run by a bunch of people who know nothing about coaching or hiring a coach.

Les recruits talented players.

Saban recruits talented wolves.

There is a difference.