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re: What is your X’s and O’s critique of McMahon and MBB?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:59 pm to jamarr
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:59 pm to jamarr
Side by side comparison of evaluated talent between the last 2 rosters
Reid #29 - Miller #29
O’Neal #38 - Ward #29
Days #59 - Hayes #67
Wilk #68 - Reed #67
Murray #89 - Wilk #68
Eason #94
That’s leaving off KJ Williams who’s more productive than anyone from last years team despite an offensively inept HC. So where this giant talent discrepancy? There’s a reason this years team was picked in the exact same spot as last years. The difference between a national 6 seed and one of the worst teams in program history is the coaching.
Reid #29 - Miller #29
O’Neal #38 - Ward #29
Days #59 - Hayes #67
Wilk #68 - Reed #67
Murray #89 - Wilk #68
Eason #94
That’s leaving off KJ Williams who’s more productive than anyone from last years team despite an offensively inept HC. So where this giant talent discrepancy? There’s a reason this years team was picked in the exact same spot as last years. The difference between a national 6 seed and one of the worst teams in program history is the coaching.
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:01 pm to jamarr
Eason wasn’t going to be drafted before he came to LSU and using his draft position is misleading to put it mildly. Take your own advice and please be honest.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:10 pm to Madking
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The difference between a national 6 seed and one of the worst teams in program history is the coaching.
This is dumb. Will Wade would struggle with this team. I love Coach Wade and wish we would have kept him forever but the talent between the two teams is night and day. Anybody with eyes can see that.
Edit to prove this if you combined last years team with this years team you're starting 5 would be
Pinson
Murray
Eason
Days
KJ
You could maybe make the argument Miller should start over Murray.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:20 pm to redfishfan
Eason didn’t start last year and Miller was a starter before the injury. No way Reid starts in front of KJ either and Pinson might not start if Miller was healthy. Again this team was picked 8th in the SEC, same as last years. That’s a bubble position and NIT lock. We have more top 100 recruits than all but 4/5 SEC teams and veterans who’ve played and started in several NCAA tourney games including some for high seeds. Last years team under Wade finished 3 spots higher than predicted even with key injuries. This years team will finish 6 spots lower than predicted. The facts are the facts period.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:21 pm to Madking
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using his draft position is misleading to put it mildly.
you dont think draft position and NBA success indicates talent?
you prefer high school rankings? yunno morant was a 3 star
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:24 pm to jamarr
Don’t make a straw man, that’s not at all what I said or indicated. What you’re doing is taking a finished product and ignoring the process in which it came to be to push a narrative.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:27 pm to jamarr
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i see, so to what extent is having good players relevant? not at all? its all coaching?
you think these current players are great SEC level talents? which ones?
It's extremely relevant, but so is having good coaching.
My point will always remain the same. It's a coaches job to adapt his system to his players, not the other way around. This roster isn't completely devoid of good players, but McMahon has done a really bad job at emphasizing his players skill sets this year and putting them in the best position to succeed.
Like I said in what I think was my first post of this thread, if this roster doesn't have a number of guards that can effectively operate out of the PnR, maybe don't have a system that's dependent on PnR play. That's a small view point in the overall arching issues of this roster, but the main idea holds true.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:34 pm to CP3forMVP
Right, if it was just about Talent Kentucky would run away with the SEC every year and be winning titles at the same rate as Nova or North Carolina over the last 15 years. Baylor couldn’t have won it, Houston wouldn’t be an elite 8 fixture. Duke would’ve rolled through the tourney with Zion, Barrett and Reddish but that’s not happening.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:34 pm to CP3forMVP
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but McMahon has done a really bad job at emphasizing his players skill sets this year and putting them in the best position to succeed.
maybe. i am curious what sort of system would optimize these players talents. appears to me that they cant shoot and dont have good hands or dribbling skill.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:38 pm to Madking
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Don’t make a straw man, that’s not at all what I said or indicated
wasnt a straw man, it was a question. which do you think is a better talent indicator, NBA success like morant and eason, or high school rankings?
presuming that NBA success is more relevant, and that eason is good, which of the current players is at or near his level? keeping in mind we are not using high school metrics but the more accurate NBA success metrics.
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using his draft position is misleading to put it mildly
its the opposite of misleading, its hugely informative
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:40 pm to jamarr
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maybe. i am curious what sort of system would optimize these players talents. appears to me that they cant shoot and dont have good hands or dribbling skill.
There's been several suggestions in this thread.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:42 pm to CP3forMVP
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There's been several suggestions in this thread.
i am skeptical those would work for the reasons i just stated, having to do with lack of talent.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:42 pm to jamarr
So completely flawed logic on two fronts. First you continue to use NBA draft positions as indicators for players years before they’ve been drafted ignoring their entire college development. Second a player like Naz Reid wasn’t drafted, Cam Thomas drafted much later than Eason yet both are better players. Your premise holds no water on both fronts.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:48 pm to Madking
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Your premise holds no water on both fronts
which premise specifically? can you use quotes and address them directly?
for clarity, is your position that NBA success is a worse indicator of talent than high school ranking?
for more clarity: you think that eason isnt more talented than any current player?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:51 pm to Madking
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Cam Thomas drafted much later than Eason yet both are better players
eason is a way better player than cam thomas. cam thomas is selfish, defensively lazy, a poor passer, and totally one-dimensional high volume shooter.
eason is a two way talent, excellent defender, good at most everything cam is not. thats why eason was a higher pick and gets more minutes.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:55 pm to jamarr
Again another straw man and being dishonest about what I said. I clearly laid out how your arguments don’t hold water but I’ll give you another example of your flawed logic. So you say that Eason was just an elite player and talent which is why he and our team was so much better last season. You ignore this but there was data on him before he came here. So if Eason was here now putting up 7.3ppg, 5.9rpg, shooting 46% from the field, 24% from 3 and 57% from the line like he did at Cincinnati would you be calling him elite or blaming McMahon for his underperformance? No you wouldn’t, you be saying he just has no talent.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:56 pm to HoopyD
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Offense
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There is only one legitimate scoring threat on the team
Answered your own question. His sets will work, we miss wide open opportunities all the time. What do you mean by "away from the rim"? A lot of actions are not "at the rim" if that's what you mean. Usually, the only time during an action you're running at the rim is breaking off the action because the defense is playing aggressive, a lob play(which we clearly don't have that guy that plays above the rim), and maybe an in-bounds play.
Defensively, we do a lot of hedging, which is my favorite way to play, we just don't rotate very well. Unfortunately, not a lot of teams hedge much anymore, basketball has gotten lazy and changed to the zone or "switch everything" look. Even down to high school. That part is going to take time. He put together a system and team together in what a month and a half? Buzz Williams had a few less than impressive seasons his first few years at aTm and I'm not sure they're regretting paying him over there in College Station.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:57 pm to jamarr
“Eason is a way better player than cam thomas.”
Lol he’s averaging 2 more minutes per game and is still less productive. Thanks for clarifying you don’t know anything about basketball.
Lol he’s averaging 2 more minutes per game and is still less productive. Thanks for clarifying you don’t know anything about basketball.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:57 pm to Madking
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So you say that Eason was just an elite player and talent which is why he and our team was so much better last season
he isnt? who on the current team is on his level? where will this player be drafted?
its not clear to me where you disagree, and you refuse to answer questions.
its true eason is better than anyone on this roster, yes or no?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:01 pm to jamarr
How many times are you going to move the goal post and make straw men? All your arguments get proven false so you just jump to the next line of BS? I’ll repost what you said again earlier, “please be honest.”
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