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re: What is the primary issue with the LSU defense?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:46 am to Pauvetibete
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:46 am to Pauvetibete
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U, you still need to be taught how to tackle, you are insane. Lack of commitment. Lack of heart. Lack of leadership from the defense. They play soft, they play scared. No amount of coaching is going to get rid of that.
Sorry, but this is just wrong.
Do you really believe a top DC would take this talent and suck this bad?
Wonder why Duke, Air Force, Missouri all have much better defenses this year or why programs like Iowa always has top squads? simple...its coaching.
The kids are not confident in themselves, their assignments or the scheme in general - leads to slow reactions and blown coverages. Obviously, a couple Patrick Petersons would help, but there's enough talent to look competent. They arent even close to that.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 7:48 am
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:47 am to dstone12
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House’s defense came though last year
700+ yards…
He doesn’t have the bodies to run his complex scheme but runs it regardless. This is on House.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:49 am to Midtiger farm
It is not one thing but a combination that ya'll have touched one.
-talent, speed, quickness is a factor
-poor tackling, bad angles (poor coaching at practice)
-coaching, play calling, and schemes is an issue that lies at at feet of coaching. When it is almost guaranteed that the opponent is going to convert on 3rd and 6, that is an issue for coaches.
-talent, speed, quickness is a factor
-poor tackling, bad angles (poor coaching at practice)
-coaching, play calling, and schemes is an issue that lies at at feet of coaching. When it is almost guaranteed that the opponent is going to convert on 3rd and 6, that is an issue for coaches.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:52 am to Meatball
It's a bunch of things, but a non attacking mentality mixed with poor tackling, and zone defense gets you this.
House has the guys sitting back in zone, trying to trade off receivers as they go from one zone to the next and they suck at it. Lsu has always been better attacking in man to man coverage, not sitting back.
Technically House and Kelly probably think it's execution. Each big play has 1 guy that was in position to make a tackle. Problem is with this defensive scheme if the one guy who is supposed to make the tackle misses nobody else is in position to make a tackle because they aren't gang tackling.
So a poor tackling team sitting back on its heals instead of gang tackling and flowing to the ball is a disaster. One guys misses a tackle and it's game over.
Another thing I notice is House seems to use his d line as space and block eaters, to get the LB's free. Lsu has always been better when the d line is focused on attacking the offense vs the current eat up blocks and be passive approach.
Also not doing everything possible to retain Corey Raymond was a Kelly mistake. He was a big part of DBU and had built 10 years of good recruiting and coaching and Kelly didn't keep him around.
House has the guys sitting back in zone, trying to trade off receivers as they go from one zone to the next and they suck at it. Lsu has always been better attacking in man to man coverage, not sitting back.
Technically House and Kelly probably think it's execution. Each big play has 1 guy that was in position to make a tackle. Problem is with this defensive scheme if the one guy who is supposed to make the tackle misses nobody else is in position to make a tackle because they aren't gang tackling.
So a poor tackling team sitting back on its heals instead of gang tackling and flowing to the ball is a disaster. One guys misses a tackle and it's game over.
Another thing I notice is House seems to use his d line as space and block eaters, to get the LB's free. Lsu has always been better when the d line is focused on attacking the offense vs the current eat up blocks and be passive approach.
Also not doing everything possible to retain Corey Raymond was a Kelly mistake. He was a big part of DBU and had built 10 years of good recruiting and coaching and Kelly didn't keep him around.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:52 am to geauxdroddz
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Wonder why Duke, Air Force, Missouri all have much better defenses this year or why programs like Iowa always has top squads? simple...its coaching.
This!!
I mean if LSU was just average on defense then you could maybe look at other options but they are so bad it can't be just talent. LSU has just as much talent as all the teams listed above and probably even more and still are horrendous.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:53 am to Meatball
I see no first class playmakers anywhere. I think they cannot grasp House's scheme. It is just not good anywhere.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:53 am to TaderSalad
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House’s defense came though last year
was not awful, but was average statistically last year.
Now, it is as bad as it gets.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:53 am to TaderSalad
The complicated scheme is probably the biggest problem. Having LBs lined up on WRs then trying to pass them off to DBs mid play at any given area of the field is way too much for college kids. He’s also pretty bad at recognizing personnel and putting guys in positions that best suit their strengths. It’s definitely a coaching issue.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:54 am to Meatball
Kelly’s discussion on the radio from, I believe, Sunday is pretty insightful. Tackling is horrific and assignments are not well understood. When a bunch of five stars are not playing well, it’s not the players’ fault. I’m not convinced that Maason Smith wouldn’t do better if they fixed the scheme and made sure players understood assignments.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:56 am to Tzanghi
Smith is not a NG, he’s an upfield player. That’s a big change a lot of fans don’t realize with Smith.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:57 am to Tzanghi
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maason Smith wouldn’t do better if they fixed the scheme and made sure players understood assignments.
MS is hurt, he shouldn't be playing so much...99 is better anyways. SMDH
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:57 am to Tigerlaff
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Coaching and low contact practice.
Is this true? Low contact practice? That is definitely part of the problem if they aren't doing some live hitting in practice.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:58 am to dstone12
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You cannot scheme this weak of a backfield.
How about trying to pressure the quarterback?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:59 am to Meatball
Two things; players and coaches
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:00 am to Meatball
DB's Lack of talent
Rest of Defense: Lack of effort and taking plays off (Except Weeks)
Rest of Defense: Lack of effort and taking plays off (Except Weeks)
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:00 am to grizzlylongcut
What was the deal with trying to drop our DE in coverage Saturday? Isn’t the whole point of the Jack position having a rusher who can do that so your true end doesn’t have to? Things are beyond screwed up with the defensive structure at a basic level.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:01 am to jp4lsu
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Is this true? Low contact practice? That is definitely part of the problem if they aren't doing some live hitting in practice.
Absolutely, more of an NFL practice - quick, fast-paced thud - less time on fundamentals overall.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:03 am to Meatball
House isn’t the end all be all to this question. It’s a mix of scheme, coaching and talent. Aside from that the players effort and that they’re not bought into the system.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:04 am to jp4lsu
Defensive rankings 2023
3rd down conversion: 117th 47%
Scoring Defense: 105th average 31 points a game against
Rushing Defense: 66th
Passing Yards allowed: 108th 260 a game.
Total Defense: 65th
I think our talent is better than this.
Just to show if our defense was just middle of the pack:
Offense 2023
Total Offense: 6th
3rd down conversion: 117th 47%
Scoring Defense: 105th average 31 points a game against
Rushing Defense: 66th
Passing Yards allowed: 108th 260 a game.
Total Defense: 65th
I think our talent is better than this.
Just to show if our defense was just middle of the pack:
Offense 2023
Total Offense: 6th
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:05 am to paulb52
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Yes, they can only have 11 players on defense
Tried 12, still didnt work
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