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re: What is Aranda looming for? Zone D?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:12 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:12 am to atltiger6487
I think Aranda is still trying to figure out how to call his defense with an offense averaging something stupid like 2min per scoring drive. He seems to play a ton of zone in the first half to keep our guys from trying to chase in man coverage every play. It's a little way to try to keep them as fresh as possible.
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:17 am to stephendomalley
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here's why i'm scratching my head. the whole first half, our defense sets in the same position every down. there's no movement at all on the dl, with linebackers, with the secondary. at least shift around and threaten pressure. you are letting them read the defense very easily and call plays against it. I just can't wrap my mind around that.
I've been a little perplexed by LSU's defensive approach as well.
My best guess (since we're all guessing here) is that Aranda knows LSU has a special offense this year capable of putting up serious points on anybody.
So I think he has been calling extremely conservative defenses at the beginning of games with a bend-but-don't-break philosophy. If LSU scores 40 points, then fine, let the other team plod down the field 5 and 6 yards at a time. A win is a win whether you win 42-7 or 42-28. But I'm sure that Aranda was just as frustrated with giving up those 3rd down conversions as much as the fans were.
I also think playing it vanilla on defense in the first half negates the other team's ability to adjust at halftime. Halftime is an extremely valuable asset for OCs and DCs.
Since UF didn't really have anything to "fix" at halfime, Aranda was able to start switching things up in the 2nd half and Florida was never able to make any meaningful adjustments.
I'll admit, it's a philosophy I've never really seen before. But hell, LSU is 6-0. What's there to complain about?
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:19 am to UGATiger26
Oh our fans will complain.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:23 am to L S Usetheforce
Neuheisil did say this morning that he’s not utilizing some of the same blitz/coverage packages he used in Wisconsin
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:23 am to MightyYat
and switching defense from what the opposition has seen earlier in the game seems to confuse QB's as with two interceptions in fourth quarter even though one was called back due to bad call. Arnada is still one of the best coordinators out there- hope we can keep him.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:24 am to UGATiger26
quote:this is Les Miles-ish.
So I think he has been calling extremely conservative defenses at the beginning of games with a bend-but-don't-break philosophy. If LSU scores 40 points, then fine, let the other team plod down the field 5 and 6 yards at a time. A win is a win whether you win 42-7 or 42-28.
I'd rather win 42-7 than 42-28. The latter is only two scores, and a late TD and on-sides kick puts the game at risk.
Blow teams out from the opening kickoff. Don't let them dink-and-dunk and linger. That's a recipe for disaster.
quote:sorry, but that's simplistic thought process. Championship calibre teams ALWAYS look for ways to improve. We gave up six 70+ yard drives to UF, so that needs to improve.
But hell, LSU is 6-0. What's there to complain about?
Merely saying we're undefeated so everything's perfect and no critique is allowed is a loser mentality.
Great example was 2015. We were 7-0 and ranked no. 2. All was perfect, right? Nope - we had a one-dimensional offense, and lost our next 3 games, each by double digits.
Always improve. ALways.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:26 am to atltiger6487
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why start out at 5? Bring it all right out of the gate. What's the advantage of starting small -- we'll give up points.
Because you will wear out your defense then won’t be able to get a stop in the 2nd half if needed.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:27 am to atltiger6487
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sorry, but that's simplistic thought process. Championship calibre teams ALWAYS look for ways to improve. We gave up six 70+ yard drives to UF, so that needs to improve.
You can’t criticize Lord Aranda or a certain subset will come to get you.
The repeated methodical marches down the field at getting really old.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:29 am to LSUAlum2001
quote:We have a winner. And we allowed 7 in the second half. This is very similar to how all the best teams have pulled away from opponents in the last few years. Play base and predictable the first half on D, then take away what the offense wants to do for the second half...do not show your hand in the first half.
I think he’s been trying to get this zone defense fully operational for the Alabama game. It’ll never be ready in time.
Tua throws nothing but slants and his WR group takes them to the house. Sure, we can man up and take the slants away, but it’ll open the DBs up to double moves (sluggo routes) and allow for Tua to scramble for big yards with the D running with their backs toward the LOS..
Look at 84, killed us in the first, disappeared in the second.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:29 am to atltiger6487
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sorry, but that's simplistic thought process. Championship calibre teams ALWAYS look for ways to improve. We gave up six 70+ yard drives to UF, so that needs to improve.
Merely saying we're undefeated so everything's perfect and no critique is allowed is a loser mentality.
Great example was 2015. We were 7-0 and ranked no. 2. All was perfect, right? Nope - we had a one-dimensional offense, and lost our next 3 games, each by double digits.
Always improve. ALways.
Isn't it reassuring to know that I'm just an anonymous asshat posting on a message board and not on LSU's coaching staff?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:30 am to L S Usetheforce
Clemson beat Bama with a zone blitz scheme. We're trying our best to implement one as well. It is a copycat league.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:31 am to L S Usetheforce
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our defensive philosophy
Aranda has never been big on blitzing...that is our problem. Against Bama we probably won't be able to bc Tua dinks and dunks but against these other teams we should be pressuring the QB as much as possible. I really hate the style we have seen most of the year and really his entire career here. Everyone wants to blame dline talent and depth but I see tons of teams with far less talent dialing up pressure on QBs
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:31 am to LSUAlum2001
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Tua throws nothing but slants and his WR group takes them to the house. Sure, we can man up and take the slants away, but it’ll open the DBs up to double moves (sluggo routes) and allow for Tua to scramble for big yards with the D running with their backs toward the LOS..
This is the one game Vincent will Excel in due to his speed.
Book it.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:41 am to Topwater Trout
quote:We are winning these games comfortably.
Against Bama we probably won't be able to bc Tua dinks and dunks but against these other teams we should be pressuring the QB as much as possible.
I am not a secret playbook guy, but you are starting to see a little of what we will do against Bama.
If this year ends the way the coaching staff and fans want we will have to be prepared to beat Clemson, OU, OSU, or Bama. Bama we may have to beat them twice.
Getting to the QB is hard. The ball is out so fast nowadays. The defense will have to take the short away, the DL must contain on the outside and we must get pressure up the middle....any of this look familiar?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:59 am to UGATiger26
quote:wait, what?!?
Isn't it reassuring to know that I'm just an anonymous asshat posting on a message board and not on LSU's coaching staff?
You do realize that this is a fan message board, where we can give our, you know, opinions and stuff. I love the Tigers as much as you, but you do understand that no team is perfect, and proper critique is appropriate.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:02 am to tigerfoot
quote:again, you can't just look at one data point and declare our second half D a success.
We have a winner. And we allowed 7 in the second half.
We gave up 205 yards in the second half. The only reason we held them to 7 points was an INT in the end zone and a goal line stand. Yes, those are good and I give the defense credit for those, but it's a bit misleading to say all is good because we only gave up 7 points in the second half. UF still moved the ball.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:04 am to MSG
Did we not blitz out of zone? I feel like we really lacked any pressure when just rushing the line
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:07 am to L S Usetheforce
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Now though it seriously looks like a true philosophy but it handcuffs are biggest assets in the middle of the defense in Phillips and Queen.
I don’t know if it was the scheme or what, but they were not good on Saturday. Queen had some nice plays in the red zone, but they got exposed a lot. So did Stevens and Vincent in the pass game.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:19 am to stephendomalley
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here's why i'm scratching my head. the whole first half, our defense sets in the same position every down. there's no movement at all on the dl, with linebackers, with the secondary. at least shift around and threaten pressure. you are letting them read the defense very easily and call plays against it. I just can't wrap my mind around that.
I re-watched and counted plays because I wondered if we were really as it seemed. We were. There were only 3 blitzes in the first half, 2 with 5 men and 1 with 6. 2 of them worked great and almost resulted in picks. However, we dropped 8 more than we blitzed and that didn’t work at all. And you are correct- the entire defense was run from base sets with hardly any movement. There were two “exchanges” where we swapped a down lineman for an ILB. One of those got some pressure. But that was it. Everything else was flat base.
The second half was completely different. There were stunts and several exchanges where we only rushed 4. Some of them worked well. There were a lot of 5 man rushes and at least three with 6 men. I didn’t notice watching the first time, but Aranda didn’t sit back on UFs good second half drives. He pressures them in the middle, but Mullen adjusted and got us over the middle.
What’s missing? Great ILB play. Queen and Philips were flat-footed a lot and slow to read and react when they didn’t blitz. They also telegraphist when they did. There were very few times when someone showed and didn’t blitz. Also, I didn’t see a single corner blitz and only one or two safety blitz. That used to be a staple.
It was a strange gameplan. I think the second half plan is a winning strategy. However, I hope we never see that first half scheme again. When you coach passive, guess what- the players respond by playing passive. I don’t have an issue with zone if they can execute it, but the conservatism and lack of creativity will open a wide door for a good OC. We saw that in the first half Saturday.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:21 am to L S Usetheforce
Secret playbook of blitz
Keep the powder dry baw
Keep the powder dry baw
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