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What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:21 pm
Since Stephen got his hope any pray topic, I counter with a factual one. ( no offense intended )
Coach O was sold to the LSU fanbase with 4 main arguments:
1. LSU is not that far away and only needs tweaking. Miles was holding LSU offense back and replacing Miles is addition by subtraction.
Verdict: This narrative changed almost immediately during the season, shifting to nonsense arguments such as LSU is really young team, Miles left the cupboard too bare, a rebuild is necessary.
2. Coach O will let his coordinators do their job and not meddle in the play calling, insinuating this was the problem with Miles and he will not make the same mistake.
Verdict: It took less than 5 games for this to fall apart. O meddled into play calling just like he promised not to, LSU suffered an embarrassing loss to Troy and next thing you know Joe Alleva is in film sessions.
3. Coach O will hire the best coordinators in CFB to supplement Coach O's CEO type organizational structure.
Verdict: This lasted less than one full year before falling apart. Canada was let go and O was allowed to hire Ensminger as OC, a coaching position Ensminger is no where close to being considered as one of the best in CFB.
4. Coach O is a great recruiter and will not only maintain LSU recruiting, but improve upon it.
Verdict: It only took his first full recruiting class to disprove this argument. Not only did LSU land it's worst ranked recruiting class since 2002, LSU failed to land a single recruit at critical positions of need and Coach O had the nerve to point-blank lie about it.
These were the 4 main arguments for promoting O to permanent HC and all 4 have fallen by the wayside. If he can't deliver on his 4 main tenets, I have no idea how anyone can trust him to deliver elsewhere.
So yes, the critique of Coach O is merited and the hope and pray crowd can bury their heads as much as it pleases them. But, by no means has Coach O proven he's going to produce successfully at LSU. In fact, the signs all point to failure. I don't think real LSU fans consider just "sitting back and enjoying the ride" a legitimate option.
Coach O was sold to the LSU fanbase with 4 main arguments:
1. LSU is not that far away and only needs tweaking. Miles was holding LSU offense back and replacing Miles is addition by subtraction.
Verdict: This narrative changed almost immediately during the season, shifting to nonsense arguments such as LSU is really young team, Miles left the cupboard too bare, a rebuild is necessary.
2. Coach O will let his coordinators do their job and not meddle in the play calling, insinuating this was the problem with Miles and he will not make the same mistake.
Verdict: It took less than 5 games for this to fall apart. O meddled into play calling just like he promised not to, LSU suffered an embarrassing loss to Troy and next thing you know Joe Alleva is in film sessions.
3. Coach O will hire the best coordinators in CFB to supplement Coach O's CEO type organizational structure.
Verdict: This lasted less than one full year before falling apart. Canada was let go and O was allowed to hire Ensminger as OC, a coaching position Ensminger is no where close to being considered as one of the best in CFB.
4. Coach O is a great recruiter and will not only maintain LSU recruiting, but improve upon it.
Verdict: It only took his first full recruiting class to disprove this argument. Not only did LSU land it's worst ranked recruiting class since 2002, LSU failed to land a single recruit at critical positions of need and Coach O had the nerve to point-blank lie about it.
These were the 4 main arguments for promoting O to permanent HC and all 4 have fallen by the wayside. If he can't deliver on his 4 main tenets, I have no idea how anyone can trust him to deliver elsewhere.
So yes, the critique of Coach O is merited and the hope and pray crowd can bury their heads as much as it pleases them. But, by no means has Coach O proven he's going to produce successfully at LSU. In fact, the signs all point to failure. I don't think real LSU fans consider just "sitting back and enjoying the ride" a legitimate option.
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:23 pm to drizztiger
Meddlin' Ed is no better than a used car salesman and Alleva fell for his pitch
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:24 pm to drizztiger
:morganfreemanspointerfinger:
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:25 pm to drizztiger
Thanks for the new thread on this, MUCH NEEDED. I don't like him either but I choose not to beat this dead horse and keep repeating the same shite.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:25 pm to drizztiger
Coach O is like a battery. The non rechargeable variety. He's lost most of his momentum and juice and is steadily closing in on dead.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:26 pm to drizztiger
Have an upvote!
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:31 pm to drizztiger
Coach “Oeax for 4”
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:32 pm to drizztiger
You Sir, will be blocked from the shrimp boat captains twitter account!!!!
But I, will give you an upvote!!!!
But I, will give you an upvote!!!!
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:33 pm to azcatiger
quote:
Thanks for the new thread on this, MUCH NEEDED. I don't like him either but I choose not to beat this dead horse and keep repeating the same shite.
truth hurts. i say this gets reposted every day until the Cheeri-Os give up and leave
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:34 pm to drizztiger
Well thought out post drizztiger. Upvote for you good sir. 
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:38 pm to drizztiger
quote:
LSU is not that far away and only needs tweaking. Miles is h olding LSU offense back and replacing Miles is addition by subtraction.
Verdict: This narrative changed almost immediately during the season, shifting to nonsense arguments such as LSU is really young team, Miles left the cupboard too bare, a rebuild is necessary.
2. Coach O will let his coordinators do their job and not meddle in the play calling, insinuating this was the problem with Miles and he will not make the same mistake.
Verdict: It took less than 5 games for this to fall apart. O meddled into play calling just like he promised not to, LSU suffered an embarrassing loss to Troy and next thing you know Joe Alleva is in film sessions.
3. Coach O will hire the best coordinators in CFB to supplement Coach O's CEO type organizational structure.
Verdict: This lasted less than one full year before falling apart. Canada was let go and O was allowed to hire Ensminger as OC, a coaching position Ensminger is no where close to being considered as one of the best in CFB.
4. Coach O is a great recruiter and will not only maintain LSU recruiting, but improve upon it.
Verdict: It only took his first full recruiting class to disprove this argument. Not only did LSU land it's worst ranked recruiting class since 2002, LSU failed to land a single recruit at critical positions of need and Coach O had the nerve to point-blank lie about it.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:48 pm to drizztiger
You are writing verdicts on coaching hires and his recruits without even seeing them coach or play?
Your post it hardly factual and very much opinion based, drizzy.
Your post it hardly factual and very much opinion based, drizzy.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:04 pm to drizztiger
I dont know. I like the Cregg, Bush and Nusmeier hires.
Based on salary, look for an Ensminger return to form and Nusmeier promotion to OC (USC tree, RE Sark, NC with Saban, Harbaugh's offense).
The emphasis on the trenches is where it needed to be. Bet we get a transfer at QB. 2 lock down CBs (w/2 in reserve) suffices.
Maybe Cajun Dinardo is better than the orig? Maybe we become the thug U we were meant to be under Cookie Monster?
By the end of next season, maybe we'll all be wearing those white shrimp boots to Tiger Stadium...GEAUX!!!
Based on salary, look for an Ensminger return to form and Nusmeier promotion to OC (USC tree, RE Sark, NC with Saban, Harbaugh's offense).
The emphasis on the trenches is where it needed to be. Bet we get a transfer at QB. 2 lock down CBs (w/2 in reserve) suffices.
Maybe Cajun Dinardo is better than the orig? Maybe we become the thug U we were meant to be under Cookie Monster?
By the end of next season, maybe we'll all be wearing those white shrimp boots to Tiger Stadium...GEAUX!!!
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:07 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Lester Earl
I honestly respect your football opinion. I just don't see how you could be so critical of Miles for so many years while I've yet to see you have the same reactions in regards O.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:10 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Your post it hardly factual and very much opinion based, drizzy.
It's actually completely factual
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:18 pm to azcatiger
quote:
Thanks for the new thread on this, MUCH NEEDED. I don't like him either but I choose not to beat this dead horse and keep repeating the same shite.
He is literally providing a response/counter to a pro-O post entitled "What I like about O".
Instead of venting your frustration at people whom you think are just venting their frustration from a different perspective, you could choose not to beat the dead horse and keep repeating the same tired, unsupported arguments of the pro-O crowd.
In other words, stop being such hater of the people who don't want to settle for sloth and corruption by the administration and the HC.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I was critical of Miles years into his career. Not 1 season.
2018 will tell us a lot. Hating on him this early is only an attempt to confirm the bias you first had when he was hired. He’ll never get a fair shot with those people no matter what he does. I’m trying to give him a fair shot because realistically he hasn’t done enough good or bad to make a determination either way.
Like OP says he meddled in the offense. Ok, for 1 game out of 13? He also cut out the pre snap motions that were costing us 10 penalties a game, for instance. Is him meddling only noted when it’s bad? How’s that work ?
2018 will tell us a lot. Hating on him this early is only an attempt to confirm the bias you first had when he was hired. He’ll never get a fair shot with those people no matter what he does. I’m trying to give him a fair shot because realistically he hasn’t done enough good or bad to make a determination either way.
Like OP says he meddled in the offense. Ok, for 1 game out of 13? He also cut out the pre snap motions that were costing us 10 penalties a game, for instance. Is him meddling only noted when it’s bad? How’s that work ?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:25 pm to drizztiger
quote:this is the one i simply flat-out cannot forgive. an orgeron supporter could maybe make excuses for the other 3, but frick him for what he did with the OC.
3. Coach O will hire the best coordinators in CFB to supplement Coach O's CEO type organizational structure.
Verdict: This lasted less than one full year before falling apart. Canada was let go and O was allowed to hire Ensminger as OC, a coaching position Ensminger is no where close to being considered as one of the best in CFB.
its bad enough that we were on the hook for Canadas buyout, not even one year after orgeron hand-selected him, but then to not even do a single interview for his replacement shows such disdain for the fan base.
he knows what we were told, he knows this hire didn't even remotely live up to that, and he simply doesn't give a frick. he wanted to hire his buddy, and so he did.
he wants support and loyalty from the fan base, he wants recruits to trust him, but why in the frick should they?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:28 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Like OP says he meddled in the offense. Ok, for 1 game out of 13?
He admitted to one game.
If a friend of yours told you he only hooked up with one dude what would you think about him?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:33 pm to Goldrush25
Cause Canada’s offense is easily identifiable. Even in the Troy game we were still running jet sweeps.
We had nearly 60 carries by WR alone and 60 catches by RB/FB’s this year. These numbers are way higher than any in recent history, by far. Canada had his hands all over the offense even at times when people claim he didn’t
We had nearly 60 carries by WR alone and 60 catches by RB/FB’s this year. These numbers are way higher than any in recent history, by far. Canada had his hands all over the offense even at times when people claim he didn’t
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