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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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All we had to do was beat a Sun Belt team and we’re a 10 win team. 


all we had do to win 11 games was beat Miss st.

a msu team that in the 2 weeks after lsu got outscored by a total of 80-13.


Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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We easily could've lost to Florida, Syracuse and/or Auburn.


I’m not denying that. You can play this game just about any year, as the margins in the SEC are slim. Also gets much slimmer when you have the 3rd most snaps by freshmen in the country. They fought like heck


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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ll bet a month long ban on posting with anyone that we win 9 games next year



you have 3500 posts in 12 years. a smidge over 1 post a day. you won't be losing anything.


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SammyTiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
I like to think I’m a realist

MSU at MSU with 3 healthy DL isn’t good news

But we folded up like a lawn chair after that first TD got called back. Isn’t O supppsed to be a motivator?


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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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you consider 2014 miss st vs lsu a close game?


Was that the Dak game? I don’t remember specifically


Grim
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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If a friend of yours told you he only hooked up with one dude what would you think about him?

Umm, I wouldn't think any differently about them?

What year is this?


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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They fought like heck





after week 5 I agree. they straight up quit against MSU.


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Was that the Dak game? I don’t remember specifical
it was. they dominated early and we came back with a chance to win the game on the last play but they dominated until the 8 minute mark in the 4th. we lost by 5
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drizztiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Dude I can’t discuss anything related to O if you still believe this
Is this you taking your ball and going home? Pretty extreme.

I could concede everything you've contributed to this thread and it wouldn't scratch the surface of what I posted.

Simply saying Ensminger is well respected has nothing to do with O being sold as going and getting the best possible coordinators. O lying or not lying is meaningless compared to O not quite being the dynamic recruiter he was passed-off to be. O possibly meddling in only one-game does nothing to refute that he was sold on not-meddling at all. O being sold as just straightening the ship, not needing to overhaul it, was gone by Troy game.

Instead of nit-picking some verbiage here or there, you are welcome to actually contribute something substantial - perhaps LE's list of what O has done well since being hired as HC?


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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like to think I’m a realist 

MSU at MSU with 3 healthy DL isn’t good news 

But we folded up like a lawn chair after that first TD got called back. Isn’t O supppsed to be a motivator?


this was my response after the game. I would've been ok with a close hard fought loss given our youth. but it does like we have up. with 2 minutes left in the game we had 160 yards of offense and (8) 1st downs
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SammyTiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Hires like Cam Cameron & Canada prove that big names aren’t always what people suspect they’ll be. Look at Eagles coach who just won the super bowl. Dude was calling playsvat Calvary Baptist a few years ago.


Awful comparison

Pedersen played in the NFL for over a Decade
Was an NFL OC for 3 years before he was a HC
Was an NFL QB coach before he was an NFL OC
Was an NFL Quality Control coach before he was a QB coach

He was in the NFL 7 years before he was named HC.

But yeah he coached HS for a bit so literally ANYONE COULD Abe a good hire.

Ensminger has Been a TE coach for 20 years.

Not the same. Come he frick on.
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Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Is this you taking your ball and going home? Pretty extreme


No, but the whole 23 scholarship thing is ridiculous if you listen to his press conference. That is not what he meant.


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Simply saying Ensminger is well respected has nothing to do with O being sold as going and getting the best possible coordinators.


I’m simply saying coordinator hire sucesss cannot be quantified simply by name recognition. Go thumb through old coaching changes board threads. It’s ridiculous what fans think is a good/bad coach at the time.

Because Ensminger doesn’t give you a boner now doesn’t mean he won’t be successful.


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O not quite being the dynamic recruiter he was passed-off to be.


Our 2017 class looked damn promising. 2018 has some really good players too. Again you’re wanting to quantify things by measures that aren’t always substantiated.

Play on the field will determine what you deem failures right now in the moment. Watch 2018 then write your verdicts


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perhaps LE's list of what O has done well since being hired as HC?



I’ll post some later. Gotta run right now though


SammyTiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
It’s defweence between a loss and a bad loss

I don’t think we’re gonna win that game without Lawrence, Herron, Alexander or Neil.

But we also just shite the bed in al aspects.


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drizztiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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I’m simply saying coordinator hire sucesss cannot be quantified simply by name recognition.
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Because Ensminger doesn’t give you a boner now doesn’t mean he won’t be successful.
And again, no one said otherwise. He could hire me and I could be a success. Wouldn't say much about him going out to find the best though. Perhaps hiring someone that is a current or longtime OC with proven success in that capacity would be a good start. If O meant "I'll hire who I want, trust me" then he should have just said that from day one. I doubt even Alleva would give that a pass.



SammyTiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
You hire on track record because it’s 10000x more likely that a guy operating a good offense can operate a good offense

We’re basically hoping to get lucky with Ensminger.


Rickdaddy4188
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Member since Aug 2011
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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You hire on track record because it’s 10000x more likely that a guy operating a good offense can operate a good offense 


yep. you hire on a coach's past because it's literally the only thing coaches are judged by.
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Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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you hire on a coach's past because it's literally the only thing coaches are judged by.



You don’t just merely hire on resume’. Interviews are important, principles, work ethic, cohesion.

If everyone were judged on resume’ there’d be no such thing as promotions. When in reality every coach must start somewhere. There’d be no Doug Peterson’s.

LSU fans wanted to hire a 34 year old coach. lol. And you want to talk about resumes? Those are important, but is more of a talking point because regular fans aren’t privy to real information & the nuances of coaching.


Just_Fight_Baby
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
Upvote.

People in all walks of life don't appreciate having their trust betrayed. Just like a politician, he told us what we wanted to hear. And it's politics that brought us to this point, gentlemen. I don't "hate" Orgeron, and I don't think the majority of my fellow detractors hate him either, although his supporters spin that narrative here, almost as much as the "why can't you support our kids?" narrative.

I don't hate Orgeron, though, because like many I recognize that he's merely a symptom of a much bigger problem. Instead of ripping the bandaid off, we've been pulling it off slowly for years.

LSU Football is an economic superpower in Louisiana, no different than the situation in Alabama. But the bureaucrats in this state don't get it. They're happy to suckle from those Golden biddies, though.

Respect the Golden Calf, or face the people's wrath.

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Gray Tiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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drizztiger


That wall of text means nothing and will have absolutely no effect on anything.

Am I to assume that the rest of your life is equally pointless?



Rickdaddy4188
LSU Fan
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
36043 posts

re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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You don’t just merely hire on resume’. Interviews are important, principles, work ethic, cohesion. 



I count principles and work ethic as a coaches past.
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If everyone were judged on resume’ there’d be no such thing as promotions. When in reality every coach must start somewhere. There’d be no Doug Peterson’s.

yes promotions would still happen because promotions usually happen when you'd be done a good job at your previous position.
but even the position coaches that get promotions are getting those promotions on what they have done in their past.
Coaches normally start at grad assistant or some sort of assistant.

of course every hire is a risk but you try to at least mitigate those risks by a coach's past.

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Those are important, but is more of a talking point because regular fans aren’t privy to real information & the nuances of coaching.

what? 99% of good ADs pick resume over nuance because nuance at one school may not be the same at the new school.
surely you realize the good ADs and GMs try to get the coaches with the best skins on the wall(resume).


at lsu we shouldn't be hiring career dline coaches as HCs.
we shouldn't be hiring OCs that have publicly made it clear he didn't want the job and will be recruiting players that weren't alive the last time he was a fulltime OC. lsu should be above that. of course those things can end up successful but I wouldn't bet my job on it.
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