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TigerLunatik
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Even in the Troy game we were still running jet sweeps. 

In your opinion, are the jet sweep still as effective without the shifts? I honestly have no idea. I wasn't a fan of the sweeps, especially when he had the WR run full speed behind the QB, stop and then come back to get the ball without the built up speed.


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Like OP says he meddled in the offense. Ok, for 1 game out of 13? He also cut out the pre snap motions that were costing us 10 penalties a game, for instance. Is him meddling only noted when it’s bad? How’s that work ?


we didn't stop doing presnap motion. so I'm not sure how he fixed it but point taken.

Fair enough, I just feel he is already showing everyone that he is still the coach he was at ole miss.
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Hating on him this early is only an attempt to confirm the bias you first had when he was hired. 

I don't think it's bias to be unhappy with hiring someone with so little qualifications. If you're already on the fence with a hire and we have the season we had in 2017 I don't think it's bias to want to go ahead and cut bait. I don't think he will ever have a better chance at 11 or 2 wins again in his tenure at lsu.

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2018 will tell us a lot. 


agreed.






Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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he wants support and loyalty from the fan base, he wants recruits to trust him, but why in the frick should they?


Recruits & HS coaches respect Ensminger a lot.

If our offense looks good, are you really going to give a shite about how Ensminger is perceived in the coaching hierarchy of college football??

Hires like Cam Cameron & Canada prove that big names aren’t always what people suspect they’ll be. Look at Eagles coach who just won the super bowl. Dude was calling playsvat Calvary Baptist a few years ago.

Bottom line is LSU fans & fans in general don’t know shite about coaching hires most of the time. A big name hire would be fun to talk about on a message board but it ends there when the Gabe’s start. It’s all about production


RedTigerRulz
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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I was critical of Miles years into his career. Not 1 season.



Same here.....got that Rick???? I wasn't bashing when he was Lesticles....only when he went into some full retard mode of The Hat.


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Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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In your opinion, are the jet sweep still as effective without the shifts?


Yes, because there are many options off that play that can be used. There are many teams that run a form of the play without fancy pre shifts.

The jet sweep itself starts with a player coming in motion. You can’t have 2 players moving at a time so there is really no change there as far as motion goes.


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Bottom line is LSU fans & fans in general don’t know shite about coaching hires most of the time. A big name hire would be fun to talk about on a message board but it ends there when the Gabe’s start. It’s all about production





agreed but hiring a proven commodity is far less of a risk. also, taking a chance on an OC that hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years isnt the same as hiring a young up and coming OC.

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Hires like Cam Cameron & Canada prove that big names aren’t always what people suspect they’ll be



I think Cam would've been successful if Miles had let him run his Air Coryell offense and I can't really blast Canada when he never had any recruits based on his offense and there was admitted meddling.



Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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Bottom line is LSU fans & fans in general don’t know shite about coaching hires most of the time. A big name hire would be fun to talk about on a message board but it ends there when the Gabe’s start. It’s all about production





agreed but hiring a proven commodity is far less of a risk. also, taking a chance on an OC that hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years isnt the same as hiring a young up and coming OC.

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Hires like Cam Cameron & Canada prove that big names aren’t always what people suspect they’ll be



I think Cam would've been successful if Miles had let him run his Air Coryell offense and I can't really blast Canada when he never had any recruits based on his offense and there was admitted meddling.



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RedTigerRulz
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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agreed but hiring a proven commodity is far less of a risk. also, taking a chance on an OC that hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years isnt the same as hiring a young up and coming OC.



What I'm trying to figure out is why your vitriol is not aimed at the source...JA/Fking.

I refuse to stay mad at O. He can't help that he sucks. He's just doing his thing....good or bad. That's why we (my partner and I) cut our losses and gave up everything football related for next year.

When things change...back in business.


Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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we didn't stop doing presnap motion. so I'm not sure how he fixed it but point taken.


We went from multiple guys in motion to using just 1 player most of the time. Or 1 player motioning, then getting set, with another doing the same thing. But hardly ever multiple guys moving at the same time.


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don't think he will ever have a better chance at 11 or 2 wins again in his tenure at ls


We were 2-3 plays from winning 11 this year while playing the 3rd most freshmen snaps out of all P5 schools. I’m not saying you have to change your opinion of him after 1 season, shite I’m not even sold yet, but I don’t think it is quite as bleak as y’all are putting on.

My point about the bias is this. If you come in hating the guy, you are going to nitpick every little thing into a negative, even when it’s not. Every coach makes decisions in which the fan base questions. It doesn’t mean they are a bad coach. I know it’s hard for people to decipher in the internet age because everyone is looking for talking points.


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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What I'm trying to figure out is why your vitriol is not aimed at the source...JA/Fking. 


what?

I started multiple threads....







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mfiredog
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
Have an Upvote from and a “Dilly Dilly”


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drizztiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
What particularly isn't factual?

I have no issues if you reserve judgment on Coach O, but it was pretty clear the initial narrative was minor changes needed, not a total rebuild. And that completely changed early in the season.

O said he would bring the best coordinators to LSU. LSU would be able to offer higher pay due to Coach O's relatively low HC salary compared to a Jimbo/Herman type. LSU's OC is now Steve Ensminger.

O said he wouldn't meddle with the offense - and even if it was one game, it isn't a gray area - he meddled within 5 games. Being within his right as HC and stating that he wouldn't do so are 2 completely separate matters.

I won't argue the validity of recruiting rankings, but clearly O was sold as a great recruiter and O clearly wanted and expected to sign the classes prize recruit. Instead O whiffed and recruit signed with arch-rival, along with O bumbling the backup plan, then bold face lying about only wanting to sign 23 - apparently without a single CB or QB to boot.

O promoter or detractor, all of these things have happened. More pertinent is these 4 things were billed as strengths that O would bring to the table, yet all 4 are discredited within his first full season as HC.


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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We were 2-3 plays from winning 11 t


what?

we got manhandled in 3 of our 4 losses.

we were closer to losing 6 than winning 11. come on.

MSU DESTROYED US
TROY was winning by 10 with 2minutes left
we were never a threat to bama.



we were a dropped int. from losing to auburn
we were a missed fg from not beating Florida.

there is no way you can actually believe we were a couple of plays away from winning 11 games this year


Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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there is no way you can actually believe we were a couple of plays away from winning 11 games this year


We lost to ND on the last play so there is literally 1 right there

Troy was gifted a FG in that game & we ended up losing by 3.

You know we won 9 games right?


stephendomalley
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
this is the one criticism that bothers me the most. everyone said OK, we'll take Ed if he gets an OC as good as Aranda. there was intense pressure to get a name OC and not someone he wanted. Canada was hired, and it's obvious as a train wreck O didn't like the offense he ran, plus there were personality conflicts.

Alleva and O both tried to soothe the fan base with that hire. didn't work, which now, as we have more knowledge in the rear view mirror, was predictable.

O got a guy he likes. if he fails with him, then fire away.

i'll bet a month long ban on posting with anyone that we win 9 games next year, and you will like the offense. they'll make some mistakes, but we'll throw the damn ball with some authority. we'll run better than anyone on this board believes as well.


Lester Earl
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points



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then bold face lying about only wanting to sign 23


Dude I can’t discuss anything related to O if you still believe this. Please go listen to his press conference for context, don’t just read a blip of it




SammyTiger
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
But we didn’t win 11

All we had to do was beat a Sun Belt team and we’re a 10 win team.

But we didn’t

Notre Dame beat us by a score

We had several plays after to lose the game.



Goldrush25
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
We easily could've lost to Florida, Syracuse and/or Auburn.
This post was edited on 2/9 at 4:07 pm


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
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We lost to ND on the last play so there is literally 1 right there 


yes. thats why I didn't say ND.

but we really were 2 plays from not winning 2 other games.


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Troy was gifted a FG in that game & we ended up losing by 3. 



do you consider 2014 miss st vs lsu a close game?


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re: What I dislike about O - how Coach O has already failed on his main selling points
Coach O sucks.


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