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What DJ Chark's combine numbers tell me
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:28 am
6'3, 200, with 4.34 speed, 40" vertical and 10'9" broad jump
I can understand not being able to utilize his pure speed as much with Etling not the best deep ball thrower (solid, but not like we could always cannon it to him like say a Jamarcus could flat footed)...but at 6'3 with a 40" vertical, how was a fade in the endzone NEVER an option???? This is a throw any QB should be able to make. We recruited a bunch of tall receivers recently too like Anderson, Davis, Sullivan (previously Ferguson). When you recruit height at WR, you presumably have a fade in the end zone as a play drawn up. Chark was 6'3 with a 40" vertical (best at combine among WRs)and it's hard to recall us ever even throwing a fades to him in the end zone. This should have been a staple play for us inside the 10 yard line, especially for a team who struggled in the red zone like we did recently.
If there's 1 thing I want Ensminger to improve in the passing game, it's utilizing these mammoth/athletic targets in the redzone and convert more redzone opportunities into TDs. Especially without an elite RB now, the receivers will need to be relied upon more than ever. If you've got them at your disposal throw it up to them and let them make some plays to their physical and athletic advantage. These aren't difficult throws for a QB to make either.
I can understand not being able to utilize his pure speed as much with Etling not the best deep ball thrower (solid, but not like we could always cannon it to him like say a Jamarcus could flat footed)...but at 6'3 with a 40" vertical, how was a fade in the endzone NEVER an option???? This is a throw any QB should be able to make. We recruited a bunch of tall receivers recently too like Anderson, Davis, Sullivan (previously Ferguson). When you recruit height at WR, you presumably have a fade in the end zone as a play drawn up. Chark was 6'3 with a 40" vertical (best at combine among WRs)and it's hard to recall us ever even throwing a fades to him in the end zone. This should have been a staple play for us inside the 10 yard line, especially for a team who struggled in the red zone like we did recently.
If there's 1 thing I want Ensminger to improve in the passing game, it's utilizing these mammoth/athletic targets in the redzone and convert more redzone opportunities into TDs. Especially without an elite RB now, the receivers will need to be relied upon more than ever. If you've got them at your disposal throw it up to them and let them make some plays to their physical and athletic advantage. These aren't difficult throws for a QB to make either.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 9:18 am
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:29 am to thunderbird1100
A) We should have redshirted him (his first year on campus)
B) frick Tony Ball
B) frick Tony Ball
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 8:33 am
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:29 am to thunderbird1100
What your post tells me.
You are a bitch bitching.
Yep. Thats what it looks like to me.
You are a bitch bitching.
Yep. Thats what it looks like to me.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:31 am to thunderbird1100
I want the spring game to be all passing 
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:31 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:42 am to thunderbird1100
Did Chark ever show elite ball skills, did he ever do a great job of adjusting to the flight of the ball and was he tough in press coverage?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:45 am to thunderbird1100
To be fair, many of Chark's nice plays came on under-thrown deep balls from Etling. But overall, I agree with you. LSU has basketball players at WR, but has never really taken advantage of them.
Vs. Bama you saw it a little with Sullivan. I don't care how good a DB is. If you have a WR with a 5-6 inch height advantage there is not much a DB can do vs. a well placed ball. In the 2016 National Championship game that's essentially what Clemson did with Williams. They just threw it up and let him outfight the DB's.
If nothing else, Sullivan and Anderson should be able to win 50/50 battles with smaller DB's. Davis can jump out of the gym and you just brought in another big freshman WR (Marshall).
There was a comment during the NFL combine yesterday when they were talking about LSU players. One guy said to the other "remember when we would go to the USC pro days in the early 2000's and it was like the Oscars? Just star talent everywhere. That's what it is like going to LSU's pro day now." Such a shame to see LSU year after year waste so much offensive talent.
Ensminger is not going to have that stud RB just to give the ball to next season. If there was ever a year to be aggressive, it's next season.
Vs. Bama you saw it a little with Sullivan. I don't care how good a DB is. If you have a WR with a 5-6 inch height advantage there is not much a DB can do vs. a well placed ball. In the 2016 National Championship game that's essentially what Clemson did with Williams. They just threw it up and let him outfight the DB's.
If nothing else, Sullivan and Anderson should be able to win 50/50 battles with smaller DB's. Davis can jump out of the gym and you just brought in another big freshman WR (Marshall).
There was a comment during the NFL combine yesterday when they were talking about LSU players. One guy said to the other "remember when we would go to the USC pro days in the early 2000's and it was like the Oscars? Just star talent everywhere. That's what it is like going to LSU's pro day now." Such a shame to see LSU year after year waste so much offensive talent.
Ensminger is not going to have that stud RB just to give the ball to next season. If there was ever a year to be aggressive, it's next season.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 8:48 am to thunderbird1100
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If there's 1 thing I want Ensminger to improve in the passing game, it's utilizing these mammoth/athletic targets in the redzone and convert more redzone opportunities into TDs.
You just don't see a lot of programs able to have the efficiency you are referring to in the passing game via fades and utilizing big guys. In college, it's more about a general scheme that puts the defense at a disadvantage. You typically don't see QBs with NFL like accuracy.
That doesn't mean they should never be called. But if you are going to live and die on the QB being able to position the ball away from the DB...and the WR being able to adjust and go get the ball, you are going to die more than live in the college game.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:09 am to doubleb
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Did Chark ever show elite ball skills, did he ever do a great job of adjusting to the flight of the ball and was he tough in press coverage?
He made plenty of circus type catches on deep balls adjusting to them. Biggest negative on those was probably he rarely turned them in TDs (YAC), but more so went up to get it then went straight down.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:15 am to moneyg
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You just don't see a lot of programs able to have the efficiency you are referring to in the passing game via fades and utilizing big guys. In college, it's more about a general scheme that puts the defense at a disadvantage.
A lot of programs don't have multiple 6'3+ WRs that are not only tall, but very athletic...and NFL talented. When you have the physical size, and athletcism at WR we do, you just have to use that to your advantage. We all we run are go routes, corner routes and out routes for the most part, it's not really utilizing their talent and physical advantage overall.
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You typically don't see QBs with NFL like accuracy.
You hardly need NFL like accuracy to throw a fade in the end zone. The whole point is you're just lobbing the ball up to a 6'3-6'6 receiver covered generally by a 5'9-6'0 DB 1 on 1. If he cant make the catch, he bats it away if it's a poorly thrown ball. I think the coaching staff was just scared shitless they would turn it over on a fade, therefore never threw it, but guess what, we were (comparatively) rarely scoring TDs anyways, so maybe trade 1 or 2 INTs on the year for 3, 4 maybe even more TDs by converting through the air in the redzone. When you have the personnel to do it, you gotta try it. I agree picking on a GOOD DB in the redzone is a bad idea, but when you line up 2 guys 6'4+ on the outside, someone will be on a vulnerable DB more often than not.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:17 am to thunderbird1100
His 40 was 4.34
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:17 am to RMLtiger
Fixed it to 4.34, been watching way too many combine numbers recently
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:18 am to doubleb
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Did Chark ever show elite ball skills, did he ever do a great job of adjusting to the flight of the ball and was he tough in press coverage?
I agree with you. Just because he ran a quick 40 doesn't erase our lack of ability to make plays down the field. Etling missed a ton of passes, but there were plenty of times Chark could have adjusted.
I guess what I'm saying is a quick 40 time for chark doesn't put all of the blame on etling.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:33 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
If there's 1 thing I want Ensminger to improve in the passing game, it's utilizing these mammoth/athletic targets in the redzone and convert more redzone opportunities into TDs. Especially without an elite RB now, the receivers will need to be relied upon more than ever. If you've got them at your disposal throw it up to them and let them make some plays to their physical and athletic advantage. These aren't difficult throws for a QB to make either.
What type of Qb's did Steve E. have under him as an OC? Did they get any better? This is what makes me nervous. Do we have anyone on staff that can make our QB's better? For Dam near 10 years we have watched LSU Qb's remain Avg at best their whole stay at LSU its time to see our Qb's step up and Play like Qb's on top teams play!not passing for 170 yards with 1 td and 1 int.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:34 am to TigerFan4040
Charks biggest flaw according to the scouts, and something that was obvious when he played, is that he lets the ball travel into his body to complete catches, and does not high point the ball and extend his arms and catch with his hands.
This is not the type of player you want to run fades with
This is not the type of player you want to run fades with
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:44 am to lsupride87
If the guy is 6'3 with a 40" vertical, he could still catch the ball at his chest and be above a DB's head
Regardless, we didnt throw the fade to ANYONE really, Chark or not. All our WRs cant high point a ball? Seems like a coaching issue than WR issue.
Regardless, we didnt throw the fade to ANYONE really, Chark or not. All our WRs cant high point a ball? Seems like a coaching issue than WR issue.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:46 am to thunderbird1100
quote:Did you watch chark play at all?
If the guy is 6'3 with a 40" vertical, he could still catch the ball at his chest and be above a DB's head
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:53 am to thunderbird1100
There is more to catching a fade in the end zone than good measurables.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
quote:
Did you watch chark play at all?
Yes, he did catch the ball at his chest a lot, hence the comment
Posted on 3/5/18 at 9:55 am to Blanky6715
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There is more to catching a fade in the end zone than good measurables.
Having great measureables helps, a lot
And again, are we trying to pretend nobody among the WR corps can catch fades or something? It hasn't been in our offense for years, yet we've recruited towers at WR for at least a few years now.
6'3 Jones
6'3 Marshall
6'3 McMath
6'3 Netherly
6'3 Chark
6'4 Davis
6'6 Sullivan
6'6 Anderson
etc etc etc
Chase could even made a great redzone target at only 6'1
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 9:58 am
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