re: What LSU 5* has met or exceeded expectations besides PP7?

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Early was close to meeting expectations, but probably a semi-bust.

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Early a semi-bust? No way. First of all, he had to be patient in a very deep receiving corps, waiting behind two first round picks.

Secondly, when he finally did become the leader of the WRs, he was plagued by injury.

Yet....he was still pretty awesome that year. Early Doucet was not a bust.

I think you guys expect every 5 star to be a top 5 draft pick or something.

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Because of one interception?

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Because he was decapitating ar-kansas wrs

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Because he was decapitating ar-kansas wrs

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Oh. If that's all it takes to have a solid game, then I guess Chaz Ramsey is the best OL ever to play against LSU.

well true, he did beat a shitty msu team by himself

but in 3 years, jones amassed 157 tackles, 5 picks, and 2 sacks

thats it

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Rivals isn't projecting talent to the NFL.

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Not directly, no. But with the inexact science that is the rating system, the probability of being a first round NFL selection is about 50% if you're a 5 star out of h.s. and decrease dramatically as you descend to a 4 star, 3 star, etc.

So yes, if you're a 5 star out of high school, you MEET expectations if you have an electric college career, are billed as one of the best at your position, and are taken in the first or early second round of the draft depending on draft order and team needs.

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Not directly, no

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Not indirectly either

Allow me to offer the example of Noel Devine.

He dominated in HS. He has been "electric" in college.

He was a rivals 5*, and deservedly so.

But nobody in their right minds would say that Devine is a first or second round draft pick in the NFL.

Why? He doesn't project to the NFL. He is 5'8" and weighs 180 lbs.

If he is lucky, he might have a career as a return specialist (which he has never really done) or a change of pace back (best case scenario...see Darren Sproles).

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Isn't that essentially what a 5* is projected to be out of high school?

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Here is the definition of the Rivals Ratings. While they speak about pro potential, they do not explicitly talk about draft position. Each grouping should correspond to a star rating (e.g. 6.1-5*; 6.0-5.8-4* etc):

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6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about

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ACTUALLY, you don't know my point because I never voiced it. I responded to what you had posted about other peoples' opinions and suggested that yes, a 5* prospect out of high school should be EXPECTED to be a high NFL draft pick.

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6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

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This pretty much confirms that view. Top 25 players overall... excellent pro potential.. etc etc. That suggests that Rivals does, in fact, to a degree seek to predict NFL pedigree.

And no, Chad Jones is not as BIG of a disappointment as other names that you have mentioned, but he did not have the instant and lasting impact on the team that should have been expected given his billing.

Dorsey, Russell and Barksdale were 5* on scout and met or passed expectations. Chad Jones met expectations imo. Wroten was close.