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re: Was this ever explained why this was not called for intentional grounding?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:52 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:52 pm to GumboPot
I was incredibly confused as to how that was not grounding. He's not outside the pocket, there isn't a receiver in the area, and the ball doesn't come close to the line of scrimmage.
I don't know what intentional grounding is, if that isn't it.
I don't know what intentional grounding is, if that isn't it.
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Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:54 pm to OceanMan
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Do you agree or not that the 5 yard applies?
In some cases, yes it does - but it's not that simple if that's what you're asking.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:56 pm to Metaloctopus
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I was incredibly confused as to how that was not grounding. He's not outside the pocket, there isn't a receiver in the area, and the ball doesn't come close to the line of scrimmage.
How exactly do we know whether or not there is a receiver in the area where the pass would wind up if it runs into a defender before it gets there?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:04 pm to 62zip
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In some cases, yes it does - but it's not that simple if that's what you're asking.
Not asking your opinion on some cases, asking about this case, based upon provided guidance.
You claimed you had superior knowledge of the rulebook to another poster. You asked for a rule and I provided it. Took me a minute to actually pull the quote on mobile, after you said the section didn’t exist. Now it seems you don’t want to discuss the actual rulebook.
As a common courtesy, either stay on topic or bow out.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:04 pm to 62zip
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How exactly do we know whether or not there is a receiver in the area where the pass would wind up if it runs into a defender before it gets there?
See #7 I provided previously
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:09 pm to OceanMan
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Not asking your opinion on some cases, asking about this case, based upon provided guidance.
As it hit someone before it got there we have no way of knowing whether or not it would have wound up within 5 yards of the potential receiver, or do we somehow? What if it made it doesn't hit the defender and winds up out of bounds as a result? Then it is the distance between the sideline and the top of the numbers. Know what that distance is?
And you throw out "five yards." Was I wrong to ask you what you were talking about?
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You claimed you had superior knowledge of the rulebook to another poster. You asked for a rule and I provided it. Took me a minute to actually pull the quote on mobile, after you said the section didn’t exist. Now it seems you don’t want to discuss the actual rulebook.
That's not from the rule book, that is the mechanics manual. If you check back you will see that I told you that there is no Rule 2-7-6 in the NCAA football rule book. There is not. Do I need to paste rule 2-7 here?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:11 pm to OceanMan
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See #7 I provided previously
Again, how do we determine whether or not it would reach the vicinity of that receiver if it hits a defender on the way there?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:28 pm to 62zip
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That's not from the rule book, that is the mechanics manual. If you check back you will see that I told you that there is no Rule 2-7-6 in the NCAA football rule book. There is not. Do I need to paste rule 2-7 here?
I copied and pasted from the 2025 RULES BOOK. I initially specified PART 2. It’s authoritative, you have provided nothing similar. Do I need to paste where you brought up referee interpretations and directives?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:31 pm to 62zip
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Again, how do we determine whether or not it would reach the vicinity of that receiver if it hits a defender on the way there?
Again, from #7
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7. If the passer is contacted clearly before starting the passing motion, there will be a foul for intentional grounding if there is no eligible receiver in the vicinity
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:39 pm to OceanMan
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I copied and pasted from the 2025 RULES BOOK. I initially specified PART 2. It’s authoritative, you have provided nothing similar. Do I need to paste where you brought up referee interpretations and directives?
It is not from the rule book, it is from the CCA Football Officiating Manual. You might want to take another look at it. There is no "Part 2" in the rulebook, there is "Rule 2" in the rule book and section7 of Rule 2 is below. You pasted from Section 3 Officiating Standards Other Passing Situations on page 27.
This is rule 2-7 from the 2025 NCAA Football Rules Book.
RULE 2
Definitions
SECTION 7. DOWN, BETWEEN DOWNS
AND LOSS OF DOWN
Down
ARTICLE 1. A down is a unit of the game that starts after the ball is ready for play with a legal snap (scrimmage down) or legal free kick (free kick down) and ends when the ball becomes dead [Exception: The try is a scrimmage down that begins when the referee declares the ball ready for play (Rule 8-3-2-b)].
Between Downs
ARTICLE 2. Between downs is the interval during which the ball is dead.
Loss of Down
ARTICLE 3. “Loss of down” is an abbreviation meaning “loss of the right to
repeat a down.”
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:43 pm to OceanMan
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Again, from #7
Ball can't pass through a defender, just saying.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:08 am to 62zip
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It is not from the rule book, it is from the CCA Football Officiating Manual. You might want to take another look at it. There is no "Part 2" in the rulebook
You are a waste of time.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:10 am to 62zip
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Ball can't pass through a defender, just saying.
Yeah I have no idea what you’re talking about
Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:34 am to OldManRiver
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believe there was a Clemson receiver just offscreen near Cooley at the bottom. They determined that WR was close enough to be in the direction of the pass
This
Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:15 am to 62zip
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How exactly do we know whether or not there is a receiver in the area where the pass would wind up if it runs into a defender before it gets there?
What exactly are you talking about? It didn't hit a defender. It didn't even come close to hitting one. The guy is being tackled, and rather than take the sack he just throws it off to the side where there is no receiver close to the area, and it doesn't touch anyone.
Are you certain you looked at the play?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:29 am to 62zip
Intentional grounding is described as an illegal forward pass in the official rules in.
Part I, Official Rules, Rule 7, Section 3, Paragraphs f-h.
Intentional Grounding is also mentioned in Part II. NCAA Football Officiating Standards which I quoted previously.
A.R. stands for Approved Ruling, which is Part III.
Part I, Official Rules, Rule 7, Section 3, Paragraphs f-h.
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The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1
after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after
controlling the ball
g. The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area wher
there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-II-VI
h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area wher
there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-
[Exception: It is not a foul if the passer is or has been outside the
Intentional Grounding is also mentioned in Part II. NCAA Football Officiating Standards which I quoted previously.
A.R. stands for Approved Ruling, which is Part III.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:19 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Last post here because there's no point in arguing it further.
In accordance with the Official NCAA Football Rules; NCAA Football Officiating Standards; and Rules Interpretations; both plays meet the definition of an illegal forward pass and should have been penalized for Intentional Grounding.
In accordance with the Official NCAA Football Rules; NCAA Football Officiating Standards; and Rules Interpretations; both plays meet the definition of an illegal forward pass and should have been penalized for Intentional Grounding.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:32 am to OldManRiver
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I believe there was a Clemson receiver just offscreen near Cooley at the bottom. They determined that WR was close enough to be in the direction of the pass
This is the part where home field advantage impacts officiating to "judge" in favor of the home team.
IMO if we replace Klubnik with Nuss in Death Valley Jr. this gets called for intentional grounding.
IDK how we eliminate judgement calls from the sport. Probably impossible. College football can be bad in terms of close judgement calls but the NBA is the absolute worst. Judgement calls in the NBA are so bad it's hurting the game.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:40 am to Lester Earl
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the tackle affects the trajectory of the throw
had the pass gone backwards they would have called it incomplete?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:41 am to KamaCausey_LSU
This is the NFL rule and applied the same way in NCAA. This is why it was not called grounding.
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Item 2. Physical Contact. Intentional grounding should not be called if:
the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
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