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re: Walks This Season vs previous years
Posted on 5/1/23 at 7:56 pm to Yeti_Chaser
Posted on 5/1/23 at 7:56 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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year so I pulled the stats for SEC teams.
I wonder what the BB/game rate is for other major conferences and if it’s not similar, what that means for the umpiring in Omaha
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Posted on 5/1/23 at 7:58 pm to josh336
Our coaches would rather walk them than give up hits? Full count breaking balls. Rarely give in to hitters with fastballs. Tons of off speed in hitter counts.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 7:59 pm to Mobiletiggah
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Wholeheartedly agree. And the SEC and officials know it. It’s a point of emphasis. The strike zone is going to be closer to what the digital video via trackman is. They get graded that way. The problem is in the implementation. They are still missing calls big time but within a smaller and more arbitrary zone. Just go trackman instead of umps. At least that would be fair.
If you think Skene’s is MLB quality, watch a few MLB games and how they are able to move the ball in the zone on the edges with breaking pitches and barely out with changes. Plus look at the eye level changes in a single ab. MLB Umps are judged just like college and the “zone” is small. The difference is commanding multiple pitches on edges at all elevations.
Skene’s has a ways to go.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:14 pm to MrWalkingMan
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I wonder what the BB/game rate is for other major conferences and if it’s not similar, what that means for the umpiring in Omaha
I went and looked at the stats from the ACC and Pac 12 and used stats in conference games only.
SEC: 9.81 BB/game
ACC: 8.81 BB/game
Pac 12: 7.97 BB/game
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:16 pm to MrWalkingMan
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I wonder what the BB/game rate is for other major conferences and if it’s not similar, what that means for the umpiring in Omaha
8.71 BB/game is for all SEC teams in all games including nonconference. 9.81 walks per game is for all SEC teams in conference games only. So that kinda gives you some idea that other conference umps aren't this tight. I would expect more walks in midweek games due to lower quality pitchers, not less. Though you could argue that teams aren't pitching around many players for Nicholls and Southeastern.
I'm not sure how umpiring works in midweek games, but I don't think we typically have SEC refs in our midweek
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:18 pm to waiting4saturday
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More runs per game = more fans. There’s actual evidence of this on the NL/AL with the DH vs pitcher hitting.
I doubt that evidence is due to more walks. People like hits, not walking in runs in conference play. Juicing the balls would've been enough.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:25 pm to Tiger1988
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But but but but, but the hitters are so much better!
The approach at the plate in general has changed. K/9 are up this year too. Hits per 9 are unchanged. Guys swing and miss more trying to hit HRs so they go deeper into counts. It’s all related.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:30 pm to JakeRStephenes
This is the correct answer. They have moved closer to an MLB strike zone this year, as the umps are being graded.
Problem is...the vast majority of these kids aren't MLB caliber pitchers. So the end result is more walks and more center cut pitches.
IMO the strike zone is the biggest reason for the notable jump in HR's this year.
Problem is...the vast majority of these kids aren't MLB caliber pitchers. So the end result is more walks and more center cut pitches.
IMO the strike zone is the biggest reason for the notable jump in HR's this year.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:36 pm to josh336
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As expected walks are up an insane amount. They really need to come down off this a little. I dont think it makes for a great product
They’re up like 12%. It also feels like they’re up even more as an LSU fan because while our staff is giving up 1 less walk per 9 than last year, our offense is getting 3 more walks per 9 than they did last year.
In other words, LSU games specifically are seeing a nearly 25% increase in walks combined.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:39 pm to slackster
Smaller zone is where it all starts. If a pitcher can throw to the corners and have command, they kill the college game. Skenes can’t do that but will need to in the MLB even tossing it as hard with as much run he has. They ain’t swinging at shite off the plate.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:48 pm to Tiger1988
Skenes doesn’t leave balls over the middle too often, because if he did, even at 101, they’d be barreled up in this league.
Skenes is throwing fewer walks per 9 than Nola did in his junior season, and he’s revered around here for his command, rightfully so.
Skenes is throwing fewer walks per 9 than Nola did in his junior season, and he’s revered around here for his command, rightfully so.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 8:57 pm to TigerCub
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SEC: 9.81 BB/game
ACC: 8.81 BB/game
Pac 12: 7.97 BB/game
Statistics can be subjective right?
• Are our batter's better at watching thezone aka crews?
• is it a matter of zones being tightened
• is it a matter of pitching
Or ....is it a combination of all? Idk. Yall are the SME's im just asking ?
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 9:18 pm to slackster
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Skenes is throwing fewer walks per 9 than Nola did in his junior season, and he’s revered around here for his command, rightfully so.
It’s the lateral movement and guys may be swinging due to trying to anticipate it versus it being a strike. Due to the less reaction time, they are striking out more than what they did versus Nola. Nola pitched to contact due to the bats and balls they played with. This isn’t the same game as even that time period. I don’t think LSU had Trackman then. Nola got really good at spotting that curve in the majors
Also, what people forget about Nola was how many times he picked-off runners at first AND how people didn’t steal on him.
I’m not saying Nola was the best pitcher in LSU history. I still believe that was Ben due to the workload Skip put on him and how many times he delivered.
Peeaver’s one excellent season is in jeopardy this year with Skenes though. Until Skenes, Peever had the best season I’ve ever seen from an LSU pitcher considering the equipment differences Nola had an advantage of over him (and McDonald).
So much to being a pitcher than just striking people out.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 9:19 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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Umpiring simply has to get better
blame the sec office. they wanted a smaller strike zone; they want more action and more scores ostensibly to make it more exciting for the fans. i think it sucks; i want the old strike zone back.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 9:25 pm to JakeRStephenes
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The problem stems from the SEC installing TrackMan in all parks. The umps are graded against TrackMan, and as such, they are very hesitant to call close pitches.
If a strike is called a ball then wouldn’t the ump’s score drop just like if he called a ball is called a strike?
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