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re: Vandy’s Hawkins Field is next to get renovations… Alex Box falling further behind
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:38 am to TackySweater
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:38 am to TackySweater
quote:The coach doesn’t think so. Argue with him.
It’s inconsequential.
quote:They won a fricking championship with those guys and you’re saying their stadium means nothing.
how inconsequential it is in the bigger picture.
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:41 am to TackySweater
quote:Imaging leaving money on the table because… wait why is that okay again? And imagine saying we make more money than anyone and being cool with everyone making renovations as we sit on our arse with a park that was built cheap to begin with. fricking unreal.
LSU isn’t struggling lol
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:49 am to ell_13
If the venue is such a key part of recruiting then how did Skip win five titles? Why was State in the cellar now?
There’s no doubt the ballpark is a as small factor in recruiting, but it’s not the factor. It’s more important to have state of the art training facilities, indoor cages, great locker room and clubhouse.
It’s more important to hire the best coaching and training staffs.
The argument that we need to spend millions on a stadium upgrade doesn’t hold water,. Not when spending on NIL and player benefits is a lot more beneficial.
The Box is fine. Are their better? Sure. But putting money where it does the most good doesn’t include tearing out bleachers, putting a cover over the heads of more fans, or upgrading concession stands and other perks. It’s not like ticket sales are down.
Now I do believe moving the bullpens should be done because it is a safety issue. Anyone that watches a game should be able to see that.
There’s no doubt the ballpark is a as small factor in recruiting, but it’s not the factor. It’s more important to have state of the art training facilities, indoor cages, great locker room and clubhouse.
It’s more important to hire the best coaching and training staffs.
The argument that we need to spend millions on a stadium upgrade doesn’t hold water,. Not when spending on NIL and player benefits is a lot more beneficial.
The Box is fine. Are their better? Sure. But putting money where it does the most good doesn’t include tearing out bleachers, putting a cover over the heads of more fans, or upgrading concession stands and other perks. It’s not like ticket sales are down.
Now I do believe moving the bullpens should be done because it is a safety issue. Anyone that watches a game should be able to see that.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:54 am to doubleb
quote:venues didn’t need to be what they are today. But he certainly knew it was an important piece or he wouldn’t have had the whole team cleaning and painting and expanding. As far as state, they fricked themselves with the coaching change. It’s a part of recruiting. I never said it was key. But it certainly matters to some. LSU has great players areas. We don’t have to be simple minded. There’s nuance. But a great facility is a huge piece of any coach’s pitch. It helps.
If the venue is such a key part of recruiting then how did Skip win five titles?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:18 pm to ell_13
quote:
I never said it was key. But it certainly matters to some. LSU has great players areas. We don’t have to be simple minded. There’s nuance. But a great facility is a huge piece of any coach’s pitch. It helps.
It probably is less of a factor when you look at tradition, conference, training facilities, coaching, and player perks.
So where would you invest millions? I’d invest in those areas first. You?
And as for our coach’s pitch he must have a lot going for him. We just got a great class and big transfers. I think we are ahead of the curve in recruiting.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 12:27 pm to doubleb
quote:Yes and we have. So it’s time for the stadium yes?
So where would you invest millions? I’d invest in those areas first. You?
ETA: do you think Kim M would have come here if she wasn’t guaranteed new facilities? She just won a championship though so frick it right?
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:00 pm to ell_13
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ETA: do you think Kim M would have come here if she wasn’t guaranteed new facilities? She just won a championship though so frick it right?
You are moving the goal posts now.
WBB is a huge money loser. There’s no way to make money unless tv suddenly goes nuts and right now ESPN is cutting back.
But the PMAC hosts four sports including one that has the potential to make money, MBB. It also can produce revenues for concerts and it can be used for graduation.
The PMAC situation is nothing like the one at the Box.
As for guaranteeing a new improved basketball facility, that probably was already in the cards before Kim worked her magic. There are no major plans for the Box because there is no real demand or need.
I think moving the bullpen and other minor things could be in the works, but nothing major.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:11 pm to doubleb
1) The PMAC sports don’t generate money and baseball does so that’s why it should be ignored. Absolutely amazing argument.
2) moving the bullpens isn’t minor at all.
2) moving the bullpens isn’t minor at all.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:38 pm to doubleb
quote:
WBB is a huge money loser. There’s no way to make money unless tv suddenly goes nuts and right now ESPN is cutting back.
it was breaking even when pokey was here and the sport is more popular now. it can make some money
quote:
There are no major plans for the Box because there is no real demand or need.
Bet you Jay Johnson and Scott Woodward would laugh in your face if you told them this
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:44 pm to ell_13
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1) The PMAC sports don’t generate money and baseball does so that’s why it should be ignored. Absolutely amazing argument.
Your reading comprehension is bad. I specifically stated MBB made money and has the potential to make even more.
My point was that the PMAC just four teams and had other uses. It’s 50 years old. The Box is 14 years old and hosts one sport.
The need to address the PMAC surpasses the Box by a large margin.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:50 pm to ell_13
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They won a fricking championship with those guys and you’re saying their stadium means nothing.
Still waiting on quotes from said players about choosing them over lsu because they liked the stadium
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:58 pm to TackySweater
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Still waiting on quotes from said players about choosing them over lsu because they liked the stadium
I think you can go down a list of CWS champions and see that the ballparks had little to do with their success.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:05 pm to TackySweater
quote:The stadium played a roll. Here’s an entire story on Geatreau talking about the stadium in 2017.
Still waiting on quotes from said players about choosing them over lsu because they liked the stadium
quote:
"It is a huge recruiting tool. Most of the kids that I speak too are well aware of the old ballpark. They are pretty in tuned to it. They know about the Left Field Lounge. They have been to ballgames here, so they knew plenty about the old ballpark. It was pretty unique. It was, at one time, the best place to play in college baseball. "Now, with this new ballpark being built, if recruits aren't aware of it I have them go to YouTube and type in New Mississippi State Baseball Stadium and watch the three-minute clip on YouTube. There is also a part in that video where it shows real fan interaction, live highlights and video of what is to come with the new ballpark.
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And if the kids don't know about the new ballpark and what is being built, I will break down the new ballpark by it's three phases from beginning to end. Then, I will have them go watch the video. After they watch the video my phone will ring immediately or I will receive a text that says something like, 'Wow, that is unbelievable. I have never seen anything like it.' 'Is that real?' 'Are you guys really getting that?' 'That is a pro ballpark.' I get comments like that. "It is obviously a very impressive tool for recruiting. By no means is that all that we are selling but it is a huge recruiting tool. We also have 40 years of tradition and everything else you know about Mississippi State baseball. The stadium is sort of like, 'Oh, by the way, check out our new ballpark.' And the kids, their parents, high school coaches, select team coaches are all overwhelmed with it when they see the video. It helps a lot in recruiting."
If you want me to google player reaction and how many of them mention the park as a reason for their decision, I can do that too. But if you don’t get the point by now, it’s fruitless work anyway.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:23 pm to TackySweater
quote:
Are you talking just seats or total capacity?
Seats
There would be Outfield/Suites and SRO
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:54 pm to ell_13
Really awesome anecdotal evidence.
I’m sure all the players being recruited have the stadium as their top priority.
Maybe if lsu was middle of the road, sure the stadium would play a larger role.
I’m sure all the players being recruited have the stadium as their top priority.
Maybe if lsu was middle of the road, sure the stadium would play a larger role.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:11 pm to TackySweater
None of this matters as much as the “we need a new stadium” crowd thinks.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:53 pm to TackySweater
quote:You literally asked for anecdotes.
Really awesome anecdotal evidence.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:57 pm to ell_13
Because you made it sound like it was a huge wave of players every year. I thought you would have had much better examples than single digits. Lol
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:38 pm to TackySweater
You: it doesn’t impact recruiting.
Evidence: the head recruiting coordinator said it’s a huge impact 4 times in a 2 minute span when asked about the impact on recruits
You: but it didn’t really do anything meaningful
Evidence: state wins its first ever team championship literally 5 years after completion with recruits who were largely sold on the new field (including Tanner Allen who flipped from LSU to State)
I honestly don’t know why you’re doing this other than maybe a troll?
Evidence: the head recruiting coordinator said it’s a huge impact 4 times in a 2 minute span when asked about the impact on recruits
You: but it didn’t really do anything meaningful
Evidence: state wins its first ever team championship literally 5 years after completion with recruits who were largely sold on the new field (including Tanner Allen who flipped from LSU to State)
I honestly don’t know why you’re doing this other than maybe a troll?
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 5:04 pm to ell_13
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