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re: UVA or Virginia Tech, who would LSU fans rather bring to the SEC

Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by Beltway Bengal
Potomac, Maryland
Member since Feb 2004
519 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:52 pm to
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Virginia Tech. UVA seems to be too much like Ole Miss, only smarter



My standard comment when this question reappears is that adding UVA would be knowingly taking in an institution with the worst features of Ole Miss and Tulane combined, with an extra dose of at least partially deserved arrogance.

That being said, UVA could probably do more for the SEC's academic reputation, and thus in some small way enhance the value of every LSU degree, than any other single move that could be made (except perhaps cloning the 'Dores).
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:54 pm to
UVA has never won the ACC outright in football. Never. They were "co-champs" twice, but neither team were they the ACC representative in the best bowl tie in. They are an awful football program historically, and any expansion should be about football first.

And its not like their other sports are all that great, especially in sports the SEC currently sponsors (they have a great men's soccer program as well as lacrosse). Charlottesville is also not really close to any SEC school.

VT has some negatives, especially considering they are almost football-only, but they are far more attractive than UVA to the SEC.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:58 pm to
I can understand that. And I do think if UVA were to join the SEC, they would once again be the best team in the state. Hell they might still become that as soon as Beamer leaves. I also think they could be hurt by ODU moving to FBS, since the Tidewater is top recruiting area in VA.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:04 pm to
Not that I want to see the SEC expand further but given this limited choice VT is the easy answer.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:12 pm to
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we will still have 50,000+ fans at our spring game


You just made me spit my drink out. What a joke. I'll take a self ban for a month if you guys have more than 50k.

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Uva does not have a football following. Considering the SEC is a football conference, uva does not belong.


You're right. No in VA likes UVA. The folks who pack our stands after struggling in the last decade must be getting tickets for free and don't have anything better to do.

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With regards to your opinion of Blacksburg, I can't seem to find Charlottesville on this list...


That list just put College STation as the #1 college town. That just gave it ZERO credibility.

You sound like you're a little defensive especially since all the rumors are either talking about UVA to BIG or SEC. And no one is talking about VT. Face it...from an academics, endowement, tradition, and location perspective VPISU is not on the same level as UVA. Overall, we're more attractive as an institution. There's no arguing that point.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
25894 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:21 pm to
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They are an awful football program historically


We've had glimmers of excellence under George Welsh which, hard to believe, was about 20 years ago. Achievements include being ranked #1 (albeit briefly), going to 12 bowl games, and 14 consecutive years of winning at least 7 games. It's very possible for UVA to be competitive...just need the right coaches. Jury is still out on London.
Posted by VTSmitty
Member since Apr 2013
39 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:33 pm to
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I find that funny. I didn't move to VA till I was 15, and never went to UVA, but the first thing I learned when I moved there was to HATE VT. I always thought they were extremely overrated. And almost 20 years later they still haven't really beat a good team. What 1-28 or something all-time against top 5 teams


Ok, so 20 years later would mean back in the early 90's you always thought we were overrated? I don't believe prior to 93 that VT was ever rated in the top 25, for even 1 week. Prior to at least the 95 Sugar Bowl, and probably the 99 season, VT got zero respect as a football team. No chance of being overrated. If I'm not mistaken, UVA's record against top 5 teams is 2-27.

Yes, we've beaten some good teams. Our 95 Sugar Bowl win over Texas was one of the better. 2 years ago UVA had a lacrosse game the same day as their spring game. Estimated attendence at the lacrosse game was 10,000. For the spring game, 1,500. UVA's attendance for regular season games has been so bad they had to sell coupons for 4 tickets, 4 hotdogs, 4 soft drinks, for $72 in frekkin ValPak coupons. 15 years of soldout games for VT, and you'll see 50,000 at this year's spring game. UVA football is soft, has no fan support, is our whipping boy, and has no potential to aspire to anything greater than "bowl eligible", though that ain't happening often. VT's Enter Sandman and deafening roar of the crowd got an SEC feel to it. Not so much for UVA's whistling and yelling "Bad form" at the referees. If the SEC wants a token special needs child, by all means, UVA is the team for the SEC.
Posted by tc5140
Member since Jul 2009
782 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:35 pm to
UVA plays old Auld Lang Syne when they score.

Its annoying as heck. Everyone stands arms shoulder to shoulder swaying back and fourth.

VT would get my vote.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:38 pm to
I said almost 20 years. I moved to VA days after the Blizzard of 96. Never even heard of y'all prior to that Sugar Bowl. So yes I think it fair to say I always thought you were overrated from the time I even knew y'all existed. Is the UTx win your ONE AND ONLY top 5 win. Come on Appy State has as many top 5 wins as y'all do.
Posted by VTSmitty
Member since Apr 2013
39 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:45 pm to
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You just made me spit my drink out. What a joke. I'll take a self ban for a month if you guys have more than 50k.


We have typically averaged around 45,000 the last few years, and this year we have replaced 4 offensive coaches, and people are dying to see what the new offense looks like. Big battles at the WR and RB spots as well, which people are dying to see. From comments on our home board, many people are coming that have never been to a spring game or haven't been in years. Many groups of 4, 5 or 6, planning on coming and many traveling from 5 or 6 hours away. Quite a few flying in to see it and working in some visits with family members. There will easily be 50,000+ at our spring game. As I said, we usually average 45,000 and this is the most anticipated spring game anyone can remember.
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
9481 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:50 pm to
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If the SEC wants a token special needs child, by all means, UVA is the team for the SEC.
A VT fan calling UVA a special needs child.
Posted by VTSmitty
Member since Apr 2013
39 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:53 pm to
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I said almost 20 years. I moved to VA days after the Blizzard of 96. Never even heard of y'all prior to that Sugar Bowl. So yes I think it fair to say I always thought you were overrated from the time I even knew y'all existed. Is the UTx win your ONE AND ONLY top 5 win. Come on Appy State has as many top 5 wins as y'all do.


You are right, no one had heard of us until that Sugar Bowl. No one really paid attention until we played in the national championship. Since then, we've been a fixture in the top 25 and spent much time in the top 10. 4 ACC championships in the 9 years since joining the ACC. And I believe we are in the top 3 for total wins since 95. Texas was ranked #9. We haven't done bad against 6-10. 1-5, yeah pretty bad, as most teams are. Poor UVA freshmen, probably in about 4th grade last time UVA beat VT.
Posted by thanksjhester
Sonic
Member since Jun 2009
5410 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:01 pm to
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No more expansion. Ruining something that was great.
Agree
Posted by HokieScrubs
Member since Apr 2013
4 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:01 pm to
I think It all depends on what the SEC is looking for.

If you want a football tradition you go with VT hands down.

If you want athletic excellence and academics, you might as well go with Duke which blows UVA out of the water in both of those aspects.
Posted by ztraveler
metairie, la
Member since Aug 2007
564 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:04 pm to
MAN LETS BRING ALL FOOTBALL TEAMS INTO THE
SEC......THEN WE CAN GET RID OF THE NCAA
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
9481 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:08 pm to
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If you want athletic excellence and academics, you might as well go with Duke which blows UVA out of the water in both of those aspects.
Haha, because of course UVA would blow VT out of the water with those parameters. BTW, UVA is much closer to Duke in the latest academic rankings than VPI is to UVA. It's 16 spots compared to 48 spots, so VPI is 3 times more terrible academically in comparison.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:09 pm to
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Poor UVA freshmen, probably in about 4th grade last time UVA beat VT.

While I wish that was different for my Step-Dad, I don't care all that much. I'm an LSU fan.
And it's one thing to have a poor record against top 5 teams. It's another to win only once in about 30 games.

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we've been a fixture in the top 25 and spent much time in the top 10.

And I go back to my point of y'all being overrated.
And considering the ACC has not been good since y'all joined, I don't really care about those championships.

ETA: and did y'all 2 join this site just to post in this thread? And we brought out another VT fan that looks to of basically signed up when we played y'all in 07 and then left.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 2:14 pm
Posted by HokieScrubs
Member since Apr 2013
4 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:11 pm to


Keep enjoying your academic prestige and i'll keep enjoying watching the Hokies win.
Posted by VTSmitty
Member since Apr 2013
39 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:15 pm to
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And I go back to my point of y'all being overrated. And considering the ACC has not been good since y'all joined, I don't really care about those championships.


I'm not touting the ACC as great, or even very good, and I'm not saying we've been a powerhouse. My point is, while winning 10 games a year and 4 championships in the ACC may not impress people, because it's the ACC, UVA been in that same pitiful ACC, and can't even manage a winning record most years.

If the question if whether VT or UVA would be a better addition to the SEC, no one can argue UVA unless you omit football from the equation.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 4/3/13 at 2:16 pm to
Didn't do a whole lot of that last year did you? I did enjoy the Pitt game though
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