Urban Meyer: A Winner with No integrity or Control of his Programs!

Urban Meyer is a scum bag. I can’t believe some of you want him as your head coach.

I wouldn't sing Saban's praises too loudly when it comes to integrity.

Every year at the combine, it's been uncovered that Bama players failed multiple drug tests, but were never suspended and dismissed (ex. Tim Williams). Also, this is the same Saban that knowingly signed the NT that was dismissed from Georgia for domestic violence. He'll play you if you're good enough, period.

Think what you want but he’s an incredible coach. To say he not a man of integrity is a simple opinion to form but it just means to allowed the media to develop a narrative for you to buy into. The evidence is clear he tried to help a friend out and give him time to get his life straight. It was a gamble that didn’t pan out but not one that was unreasonable at the time. It’s not like the told the guy to keep beating his wife.

All these threads about how bad he is and we should never want him are just O pumpers. You do yourself nor O any good. O is our coach and he’s not going anywhere. Has he improved it from Miles? Maybe maybe not. That’s mostly to be determined. If he doesn’t and 3 years from now we move on and hire UM we’d be complete idiots not to consider it.

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25 players were charged or arrested for a total 31 crimes during Meyer's six years at Florida, and that doesn't include tight end Aaron Hernandez, who is now a convicted murderer and is being probed for his role in a 2007 shooting in Gainesville during his freshman year.

Only six of those players were kicked off the team, and around half received a one-game suspension or were punished "internally."

I actually agree with you. My point was that the OP says that Meyer has no integrity (which I'm not arguing for against), but turned around and praised Saban for his integrity (which again I'm not arguing for or against) when we all know of things like this that were swept under the rug under his watch. That's all I'm saying.

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25 players were charged or arrested for a total 31 crimes during Meyer's six years at Florida, and that doesn't include tight end Aaron Hernandez, who is now a convicted murderer and is being probed for his role in a 2007 shooting in Gainesville during his freshman year. Only six of those players were kicked off the team, and around half received a one-game suspension or were punished "internally."

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Once again. You’re determining his integrity based on other people’s actions. Maybe you could say he has poor judgement in selecting people but Miles allowed kids like Jeremy Hill to play. It worked out well for both. You guys think this stuff is so easy. Maybe he cares about the kid and his opportunity is the only chance this kid probably has? That would be a sign that he has high integrity. He’s never been caught cheating. His only weakness is he gives people a second chance.

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Aaron Hernandez, who is now a convicted murderer and is being probed for his role in a 2007 shooting in Gainesville during his freshman year.

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Committed suicide in jail in 2017

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This is a rough and tough business. There are a few coaches out there with integrity. Most we would describe as losers. Not going to bad mouth a dude that was successful in this business, just c’mon. The virtue signaling needs to stop here, this is College football...

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yep, the list that has both winner and integrity boxes checked is very small. And most of them are retired.

Here's the thing about itegrity as it relates to winning:
Rarely does the lack of integrity show up until they fall short of the expectations of wins.

Funny how that happens. Just look at Freeze- he went from being a "good religious man that can beat Bama" to, well, being seen for what he really is.

The thing is, he didn't change. He still beat Bama. And he didn't lose integrity, only the information/truth regarding him as a person came to light. Nothing truly changed, except perception.

Me personally, the search for integrity is pointless in the current climate. Sure, you have to draw the line somewhere. But that bar should be low. This is a business now. Your 5*'s didn't come 'to play school'. Why should the coaches be any different. So draw that line carefully based on real world consequences (covering up rape vs. paying players) and leave optics out of it and insert winning there. Because if you win the conference, the media will cater to you and those optics will change or melt away.

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Bama players failed multiple drug tests

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Any program that suspends players for weed is stupid. Saban is just ahead of his time in this aspect.

From ESPNU radio, factoid on Urban Meyer coaching legacy.

Lots of wins, ONLY 6 coaches ever in 17 years as HC beat him 2X, and of them only 1 beat him 3X.

That 1.... Coach Les Miles.

BTW, Nick Saban is NOT on the short list of coaches to beast him 2X.