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re: Updated: ESPN reports TM7 wants to stay; nola.com says not so fast

Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:33 am to
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:33 am to
an history has shown that alleva really listens to public opinion and hates his schools athletes with the way he destroyed duke lax because he over reacted.
Posted by LSU Beach Lover
Member since Sep 2011
470 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:34 am to
Since when do we get all jacked up about ANYTHING that ESPN says.....

Posted by Tiger Chemist
Member since Nov 2009
3115 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:35 am to
Honey Badger!
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30350 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:35 am to
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Exactly. He has no NCAA violations against him. Not a NCAA suspension so he can play at a FCS school then xfer to FBS. If he is suspended from school he can't play anywhere. No FBS/FCS. SO therefor LSU did not suspend him.

Some of this is correct some of it is way off.
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
12495 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:36 am to
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It seems to me that LSU had already drawn a line in the sand BEFORE this last screw-up....."

this
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but that rests on the assumption that he has any "chances" left in the minds of Alleva/Miles

I'm thinking they have given him numerous chances already
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4090 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:36 am to
If it was a permanent ban, then most likely he is beyond 3 strikes. #11 below is the result after you had an appeal in your favor. The relevant sections from the LSU Drug Policy follow:
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6. Up to one-year suspension from all athletic related activities (team practices, weight room, team running, etc…) pending reinstatement by treatment team and head coach.

7. One-year suspension from competition. Scholarship during this period of time is at the discretion of the Athletic Director and Head Coach and dependent upon a negative drug screen and compliance with ADAP program. Reinstatement after the one-year period is with the support of the ADAP treatment team and Athletic Director and at the request of the Head Coach, dependent upon negative drug screen.

8. Any Third Violation Case may be appealed at the written request of the Head Coach detailing the reason(s) for the request.

9. The Administrative Voting Committee will be made up of the Athletic Director, Associate Athletic Director, the ADAP Administrator, Drug Prevention Coordinator, and Head Athletic Trainer. In cases where a student-athlete has exhausted his/her eligibility to compete in a sport, a partial committee may be assembled at the discretion of the Athletic Director.

10. If after review the committee allows the restoration of a Third Violation case, the restoration will be based on full compliance of all Athletic Department rules and regulations for the 9 remainder of student-athlete’s time at LSU. The committee, at its discretion, may impose conditions upon reinstatement that are binding for the student-athlete’s reinstatement to full eligibility. (i.e. loss of scholarship, game suspension, etc…)

11. A successful appeal will result in routine drug tests for the student-athlete. If institutional drug testing reveals the existence of drugs at any time an automatic positive test will be issued and Permanent Ineligibility to participate at LSU will result.

LSU Drug Policy
Posted by TigerFever
Acadiana
Member since Apr 2006
189 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:37 am to
The guy loves LSU. I hope he stays
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5584 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:39 am to
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The guy loves LSU. I hope he stays



+1
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30350 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:39 am to
I don't think he was at #11 on the policy. Miles did say it was permanent but also said it was because he "couldn't imagine he would want to stay here and not go play this year".

At that point Mathieu may have told him he was going to transfer, play, then enter the draft.
Posted by Sev09
Nantucket
Member since Feb 2011
15760 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:40 am to
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Don't know if possible or applies but could TOPS help and him just walk-on next year?

You think he'd qualify for TOPS?
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4090 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:41 am to
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I don't think he was at #11 on the policy. Miles did say it was permanent but also said it was because he "couldn't imagine he would want to stay here and not go play this year".

At that point Mathieu may have told him he was going to transfer, play, then enter the draft.

I have no idea what the facts are, but the way to a permanent ban and no scholarship is #11.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178920 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:43 am to
GD Skip Bayless needs to be punched in the face. Just watched that ESPN clip and how fricking stupid can he be? I know his job is stir the pot but that was beyond ignorant on his part.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49807 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:44 am to
Reports were false. He gone
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:45 am to
I hate how espn lets him on air all day.
Posted by gwilging
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Mar 2011
1396 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:46 am to
I feel like I'm in the extreme minority in this but it would be good for LSU and Tyrann to part ways to start fresh. It would be good for Tyrann to have a change of scenery and have some detachment from all influences and affiliations with anyone related to LSU.

However, I would not be against him being a regular Joe Schmo LSU student and to be detached from anything related to football (the players, coaches, facilities, etc.). My only concern is that he still has contact with any of his non-football friends at LSU continuing to influence him in the wrong ways. Saying all that, if Tyrann can be a regular student by paying his way, keep his nose clean under a zero tolerance policy of some sort, then that would be an amazing underdog-fall-from-grace-redemption story.

Personally, my preference would be for both parties to wipe the slate clean, but if Tyrann can prove to work hard and be a good citizen, then it would be great for him to come back to the team in 2013.
Posted by 10888bge
H-Town
Member since Aug 2011
8421 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:47 am to
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LSU Beach Lover

HB7> ESPN hate
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10081 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:47 am to
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LSU Drug Policy


One question. If this is beyond his 3rd failed test, wouldn't Miles be getting blasted for letting a star player remain above the rules? I'm going to go ahead with the thought process that this was the third failed test, and when Mathieu was presented with the option of sitting a year, the transfer looked good. After talking with family and reevaluating, he is looking into the possibility of staying. He either failed more than 3 test and Miles broke the rules to let him stay on the team, or he failed three tests and has every right to have the opportunity to work his way back on the team.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71838 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:49 am to
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Reports were false. He gone


Please explain
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5594 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:49 am to
TM7 and his family may have reached out to see if there was any option any chance to come back to LSU. That is totally believable to me. My guess is Schad got that part right.

What he failed to do prior to going to print is to check in with LSU on or off the record to see if there was any path to return.

Others like Kleinpeter at the TImes Pic have and like both Miles and Alleva stated last week when asked on the record said there was no path back for him.

Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27915 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 11:52 am to
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He either failed more than 3 test and Miles broke the rules to let him stay on the team



I think it probably was possible that they would have allowed him to sit out a year at first, but if that offer was rejected at first and when the announcement was made that he was gone, there's now no going back for the reason you pointed out.

If they now say, "ok, we will let you sit out a year" then it has the potential to really blow up in LSU's face. Because if they did let him back, it would definitely signal that he either A)had only failed 3 tests to begin with and was never deserving of of permanent ineligibility or B)he had failed more than 3 tests to begin with and was allowed more leeway than the policy calls for
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